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thank you

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the smoke radio for the masses of July 8

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1947 the Army Air Forces has announced

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that a flying disc has been found and is

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now in the possession of the army

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game is rigged change the game game

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changer I occasionally think how quickly

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our differences worldwide would vanish

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if we were facing an alien threat from

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outside this work

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this is Fade to Black with your host

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Jimmy Church on the game changer Radio

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good evening everyone it is Monday

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February 6

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2023 I'm your assuming church this is

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Fade to Black how is everybody doing

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we've got a crazy week coming up this

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week going to be at the conscious life

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Expo uh this weekend uh MC and host has

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uh I do every year there and uh we've

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got a short week this week too as well

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um so there you go I'm going to be doing

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some live streaming and hanging out and

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posting from uh the Expo so you're going

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to get your fill of me for sure so don't

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worry about that I'm not abandoning

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anyone but that's what's going on this

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week and tonight Our Guest is Scott

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Walter Scott of course the host of

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America on Earth and uh author of many

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books and a great researcher and tonight

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I'm not going to read through his bio

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and goof it up like I do every single

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time so then Scott gets the opportunity

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to just come on the show and correct me

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out of the gate and throw me under the

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bus so I'm not going to do that tonight

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but Scott is on the road

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um he is on his way to the conscious

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life Expo and tonight he's coming to us

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corrective surgery done today so you

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know right there right there Scott we

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need you need you're going to be in

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front of your people spend and you need

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to have uh uh the the gleaming white

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Chopper so good on you man how you doing

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so you're on the road yeah I'm doing

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good I'm slowly making my way to

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California and the truck is loaded with

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Minnesota and that's fine because I've

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had enough of this [\h__\h] weather that

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weekend

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you know I I don't know about uh climate

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change is real I just don't know how

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it's happening you know I don't know if

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it's a solar thing if it's a sun thing

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uh we've been through enough ice ages in

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the past without the assistance of uh uh

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carbon you know output from uh factories

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um and I'm not here to offend anybody

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I don't get it global warming and then

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a certain level of cold even you

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college up at UMD that's the University

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of Minnesota Duluth Duluth is on the Far

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remember they had a blizzard up there

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blocks to uh to go play basketball and I

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like this and my tip of my nose got

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frostbit and it was just walking there

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below zero wind chill and I'm telling

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mid-January one year and I I have never

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explain that I can't but anyway you know

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gonna throw this is my this is my fader

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fact earlier today for the news okay I'm

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gonna throw this out there all right you

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ready yeah I'm ready this is a fact

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I'm not making this up really three

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percent three three percent

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I can right I'd actually be right about

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that but if it is if it is Jim how what

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would the volume of penguin P be if

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three percent of the Antarctic Ice

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around my house right so and I love

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watching them they're just amazing yeah

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they are every hummingbird if you watch

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that's the most hilarious now you're

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putting something in my head that I

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at a level that we don't understand

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level that we don't understand so

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that's it man it's gone well you know

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what they're so small that when they

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it to go so they gotta eject whatever's

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unique thing right oh no no no no no no

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show so I'm going to see you in a couple

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of days I'm very excited about this once

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again at uh the conscious life Expo so

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actually let's start right there

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about that and you're going to be doing

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a few different presentations so uh your

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things uh what are you going to be

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America's True founding fathers

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um but I have to say what's happened in

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book in 2019 there has been so much new

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material that has come forward and I I

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you about the background but I'm working

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with a guy who is 80 years old he just

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turned 80 in December he worked for

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he wants me to say a private security

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company but it was a spy agency that did

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missions for our government specifically

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the Army and the Navy and they were

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given these missions to to perform and

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they got paid for it this is a lot like

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black water

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you know work for our government that

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not not everybody does but that's not

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really what the story is about the fact

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organization was called Spartan

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as he was graduating from high school

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name of Bill Jackson who served in the

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Korean War he was about four years older

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than than Don but he met him when they

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Bill was 11. and when Bill got out of

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the Korean War he needed a job and so he

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said hey why don't you come check out

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this agency that we worked for he had

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military experience he was actually a

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physician Bill Jackson was so he joined

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couple of other friends

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uh they all lived in New York City they

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they decided they were going to go up

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the Hudson River to Bannerman Island uh

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the guy that owned the island his name

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was Francis Bannerman and he was an arms

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dealer his father was an arms dealer and

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he was an arms dealer and what happened

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in 1916 Bannerman died and the place

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fell into ruins and in 1958 there was an

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explosion on the island of the Munitions

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that were still stored there and it blew

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everything into the water and actually

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and while these guys were up there

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diving in the water snorkeling and scuba

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diving looking for the Munitions that

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had been blown into the water to take

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them back to the Bronx to pawn them for

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money right and

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um Don found these decorative ornaments

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and inside and he gave them to bill bill

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gave them to his wife a year later his

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son accidentally broke one and they

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found a couple of things inside this

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ornament

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this led Bill who had contacts through

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the military and through his work

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uh to France and eventually to Italy

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where he purchased in 1971 a document

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that we now call the cremona document

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the reason we call it that is because it

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spent some time in a monastery in

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cremona Italy

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but what it was was a Templar document

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that had been it what it was was a

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compilation of documents that the order

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had uh assigned a person that we call

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cly we know what his full name is but

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I'll save that for the conference to

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take all of this Templar material

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um depositions uh Maps letters all kinds

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of stuff and compile it into one

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document and really close the book on

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the operations of the Templar order

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now uh let's uh yeah so everybody can

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understand uh because Scott and I have

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talked about this and done shows and

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privately and everything over the years

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so Scott is assuming that everybody

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knows what I know and what he knows so

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let's let's clarify a couple of things

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okay

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um the the date of the the Carmona

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document is a compilation of uh lumping

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all of this stuff together in a nice

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concise order but when was the document

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itself created

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well the what I'm calling the cremona

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document

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was compiled in 1908 we now know that

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from material that we got literally in

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the last month and we actually have some

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more material coming at the end of uh in

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the beginning of March so there will be

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more that we'll be able to report on

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maybe on like a cruise going down to the

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uh the Baja area I don't know it's a

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good idea I'll see if I can get that set

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up yeah you know what get going on it

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here because we're getting this stuff

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anyway

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and uh do you need a balcony or anything

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like that I would love it pal that'd be

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awesome sign me up let me see what I can

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do okay so now so anyway who knows what

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happened was Scott Scott let's continue

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with a little summary so the audience

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can get a grip of what we're talking

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about so the this group of friends uh

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working for Spartan eventually but uh

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from the Bronx

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um one of them

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uh gets an ornament there's some stuff

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inside of the ornament it leads them to

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this island Bannerman island eventually

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and we can go into more in depth about

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this part later which is important and

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very interesting uh they find something

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on the bank of this island they they dig

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it up

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um it leads them to Italy

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um eventually and so while in Italy they

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were able to purchase this cremona

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document which was written in 1908 which

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is a compilation of information from

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hundreds of years prior right that being

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said because this is why I had to jump

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in because you went right past this

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moment

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what led them to a person that had an

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argument yeah and and was able to line

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up a purchase of it that's a very key

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part to this whole story like that

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happen Okay so you asked the question

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I'm going to tell you so

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one of the things that was found inside

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of this ornament that was blown off the

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island the ornament was a decorative uh

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ornament that was in the flower gardens

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on Bannerman Island that got blown up to

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the other Shore in the explosion this is

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what Don found he actually found two of

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them he gave both of them to bill bill

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gave them to his wife Muriel she used

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him in her flower garden and their son

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their five-year-old son Mark

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accidentally grabbed one of these and

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pulled it down and broke it and they

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realized there were two things inside of

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it one of the things that was inside of

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it was a almost exactly a hockey puck

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shaped bronze disc that was about maybe

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three quarters of an inch thick that

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actually you could open you would stick

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something

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um sharp like a pin

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into this little hole and it popped the

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top off and inside were metal inserts

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and there was things inscribed on the on

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the metal

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uh one of the things that was inscribed

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on the metal was the word

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on tiara

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onto your is the ancient name for North

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America

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now when so they had this thing right

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and Bill found this he's like what the

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hell did I just find and so he started

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to do research into some of the symbols

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that were carved onto this disc and this

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led him to first go to

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um to France and actually remember I

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said Spartan Enterprises was the name of

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the group that these guys worked for the

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reason is the guy that formed the group

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was a guy named Dan Spartan Dan

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Spartan's father

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fought in World War II and he had a

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colleague that worked for the um the

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French Resistance during the uh the

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second world war after the war this

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friend of Bill spark Dan Spartan's

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father opened a rare bookstore

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and so Dan Spartan got

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uh Bill Jackson set up with his father's

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friend and he went over to Fran and he

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bought three documents

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one was illuminated Bible for his wife

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another one was a book about the

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Constitution called the constitution of

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honorius which had some of the rare

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theban symbols that were etched on the

390
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surface of this disc and the third thing

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he bought was a pamphlet

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that basically was about Native American

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words that occur in European languages

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and inside this book

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he found the word antiora and it tied it

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with that disc that he had so he bought

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that

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and what he did was the two authors of

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that book

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the names were

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Roche

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and Benvenuto

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now if you watch The Curse of Oak Island

404
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that show they talk about the Roche

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family all the time

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and this is that same Roche family that

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00:18:37,250 --> 00:18:35,400
were involved with the Templars they

408
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were involved with the cremona document

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they were heavily involved in a lot of

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secret activities

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the name Benvenuto

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00:18:50,210 --> 00:18:47,039
um is the other author so what Bill

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00:18:52,610 --> 00:18:50,220
Jackson did was he researched and found

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the descendants of the two authors of

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this book

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00:19:00,490 --> 00:18:57,539
one of the guy one of the guys was the

417
00:19:03,350 --> 00:19:00,500
modern equivalent this is back in 1971

418
00:19:06,409 --> 00:19:03,360
the great great great whatever grandson

419
00:19:09,110 --> 00:19:06,419
of the Benvenuto author was a guy named

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00:19:12,590 --> 00:19:09,120
Gustave Benvenuto this is a very

421
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prominent family in Italy and he went to

422
00:19:19,070 --> 00:19:15,419
meet with this guy and he showed him

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00:19:22,310 --> 00:19:19,080
this document because the document was

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00:19:26,029 --> 00:19:22,320
referenced inside that pamphlet fan and

425
00:19:28,669 --> 00:19:26,039
that pamphlet was published in 1718.

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so this is many generations down the

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line and the reference for the name

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00:19:36,110 --> 00:19:34,440
antiora was this cremona document uh

429
00:19:38,450 --> 00:19:36,120
that he eventually bought from this

430
00:19:40,970 --> 00:19:38,460
Benvenuto family so it's kind of a

431
00:19:43,310 --> 00:19:40,980
complicated story to tell but that's how

432
00:19:46,070 --> 00:19:43,320
it happened and it's actually an

433
00:19:47,930 --> 00:19:46,080
incredible but this is all about these

434
00:19:51,590 --> 00:19:47,940
bloodline families they were all

435
00:19:54,110 --> 00:19:51,600
involved in you know this plot to found

436
00:19:57,110 --> 00:19:54,120
America is really what it was yeah right

437
00:19:57,850 --> 00:19:57,120
right right so

438
00:20:06,710 --> 00:19:57,860
um

439
00:20:08,270 --> 00:20:06,720
starts a journey right so it leaves

440
00:20:15,710 --> 00:20:08,280
Italy

441
00:20:19,789 --> 00:20:15,720
wouldn't have wanted that document a to

442
00:20:22,250 --> 00:20:19,799
be sold or B uh make its way uh uh

443
00:20:25,130 --> 00:20:22,260
potentially back over the United States

444
00:20:27,830 --> 00:20:25,140
well I I'm gonna answer to answer that

445
00:20:30,950 --> 00:20:27,840
question this way when we do the

446
00:20:32,810 --> 00:20:30,960
workshop at at the at conscious life

447
00:20:35,270 --> 00:20:32,820
Expo one of the things that we're going

448
00:20:38,510 --> 00:20:35,280
to do is we're going to teach the

449
00:20:41,330 --> 00:20:38,520
participants about these encrypted

450
00:20:43,370 --> 00:20:41,340
documents we're going to show them how

451
00:20:45,890 --> 00:20:43,380
these things were encrypted and we're

452
00:20:47,570 --> 00:20:45,900
going to ask them to help us decode

453
00:20:50,930 --> 00:20:47,580
these documents it's going to be an

454
00:20:52,549 --> 00:20:50,940
exercise and one of the documents that

455
00:20:57,470 --> 00:20:52,559
we're gonna

456
00:21:00,470 --> 00:20:57,480
um decode actually tells the story of

457
00:21:03,169 --> 00:21:00,480
the history of the cremona document it

458
00:21:05,450 --> 00:21:03,179
was actually stolen out of the Vatican

459
00:21:09,529 --> 00:21:05,460
by a cistercian

460
00:21:10,730 --> 00:21:09,539
um Monk and it traveled throughout

461
00:21:13,789 --> 00:21:10,740
Europe

462
00:21:15,590 --> 00:21:13,799
um into North America it's it just the

463
00:21:18,710 --> 00:21:15,600
Journey of the document itself is

464
00:21:21,710 --> 00:21:18,720
interesting but that story is encrypted

465
00:21:25,250 --> 00:21:21,720
in one of these uh cryptograms that we

466
00:21:28,970 --> 00:21:25,260
have we're actually going to Deco uh

467
00:21:30,529 --> 00:21:28,980
decrypted decoded and we're going to

468
00:21:33,770 --> 00:21:30,539
read you know we're going to show you

469
00:21:35,930 --> 00:21:33,780
how the message is conveyed

470
00:21:38,210 --> 00:21:35,940
um and and why it was hidden I mean this

471
00:21:39,890 --> 00:21:38,220
is important information all the

472
00:21:43,549 --> 00:21:39,900
important information in this damn

473
00:21:46,850 --> 00:21:43,559
document is uh encrypted in various ways

474
00:21:50,510 --> 00:21:46,860
and trying to figure it out has been uh

475
00:21:52,789 --> 00:21:50,520
in some cases it took us months to do uh

476
00:21:54,529 --> 00:21:52,799
you know to decode all this stuff and

477
00:21:57,010 --> 00:21:54,539
actually one of the things that Don

478
00:22:01,610 --> 00:21:57,020
found back in 1980 with Bill Jackson

479
00:22:04,010 --> 00:22:01,620
inside of a cave in Northern Vermont

480
00:22:06,350 --> 00:22:04,020
was another cryptogram but the problem

481
00:22:08,930 --> 00:22:06,360
was they didn't have the cipher phrase

482
00:22:11,390 --> 00:22:08,940
that you need to decode it

483
00:22:15,830 --> 00:22:11,400
and it wasn't until something showed up

484
00:22:18,529 --> 00:22:15,840
about a year and a half ago that had the

485
00:22:22,250 --> 00:22:18,539
um the cipher phrase and he tried it

486
00:22:25,130 --> 00:22:22,260
because it was a zodiac cryptogram and

487
00:22:28,850 --> 00:22:25,140
it worked so we were able to decode that

488
00:22:32,990 --> 00:22:28,860
message 40 years after they found it and

489
00:22:35,810 --> 00:22:33,000
it was part of the book of the wars of

490
00:22:38,029 --> 00:22:35,820
the Lord okay one of the two parts that

491
00:22:42,070 --> 00:22:38,039
we have okay we're going to circle back

492
00:22:46,010 --> 00:22:42,080
uh to the book of the wars of the Lord

493
00:22:48,710 --> 00:22:46,020
in just a bit what language is the

494
00:22:51,710 --> 00:22:48,720
cremona document in

495
00:22:54,649 --> 00:22:51,720
well parts of it are in English

496
00:22:57,409 --> 00:22:54,659
French a lot of it is in French Italian

497
00:22:58,430 --> 00:22:57,419
Latin

498
00:23:00,710 --> 00:22:58,440
um

499
00:23:03,350 --> 00:23:00,720
there are three languages in the initial

500
00:23:05,029 --> 00:23:03,360
narrative and they jump off between

501
00:23:05,870 --> 00:23:05,039
different

502
00:23:08,270 --> 00:23:05,880
um

503
00:23:10,909 --> 00:23:08,280
authors or I should say people that were

504
00:23:13,730 --> 00:23:10,919
speaking their narratives we have a

505
00:23:15,470 --> 00:23:13,740
bunch of different languages Italian uh

506
00:23:17,149 --> 00:23:15,480
maybe I said that already there's at

507
00:23:19,669 --> 00:23:17,159
least a half a dozen different languages

508
00:23:22,970 --> 00:23:19,679
that these things are encoded in and

509
00:23:25,669 --> 00:23:22,980
sometimes one message when we decode it

510
00:23:28,070 --> 00:23:25,679
has English has French we'll have

511
00:23:30,049 --> 00:23:28,080
Italian and it's actually very difficult

512
00:23:32,510 --> 00:23:30,059
but what we do is you know we use Google

513
00:23:34,490 --> 00:23:32,520
Translate today and we can get the

514
00:23:36,289 --> 00:23:34,500
English equivalent and it helps the

515
00:23:37,789 --> 00:23:36,299
message make sense I gotta tell you

516
00:23:41,029 --> 00:23:37,799
Jimmy this thing is so freaking

517
00:23:41,930 --> 00:23:41,039
complicated it's it's it's it's it's the

518
00:23:47,630 --> 00:23:41,940
most

519
00:23:49,070 --> 00:23:47,640
mystery I've ever worked on

520
00:23:51,289 --> 00:23:49,080
um and I am

521
00:23:54,169 --> 00:23:51,299
to say that it's complicated would be an

522
00:23:58,669 --> 00:23:54,179
understatement but you know going back

523
00:24:02,630 --> 00:23:58,679
to when Jackson finally was able to

524
00:24:05,210 --> 00:24:02,640
decode this encrypted story

525
00:24:07,490 --> 00:24:05,220
the story it told is nothing less than

526
00:24:10,370 --> 00:24:07,500
incredible now I published the initial

527
00:24:13,850 --> 00:24:10,380
parts of the story the first part talks

528
00:24:17,210 --> 00:24:13,860
about six Templar knights who went under

529
00:24:19,610 --> 00:24:17,220
the South Wall probably around 11 18 it

530
00:24:22,130 --> 00:24:19,620
doesn't say exactly when but it has to

531
00:24:25,430 --> 00:24:22,140
be at about this time because one of the

532
00:24:27,710 --> 00:24:25,440
three authors of this narrative is Hugh

533
00:24:29,750 --> 00:24:27,720
depend the first Grand Master of the

534
00:24:32,289 --> 00:24:29,760
Knights Templar when they had control of

535
00:24:35,210 --> 00:24:32,299
Jerusalem

536
00:24:37,490 --> 00:24:35,220
the South Wall being the Temple Mount at

537
00:24:39,350 --> 00:24:37,500
the Temple Mount yep everybody thinks

538
00:24:41,270 --> 00:24:39,360
that the Templars went under the Temple

539
00:24:43,970 --> 00:24:41,280
Mount but they actually went under the

540
00:24:46,810 --> 00:24:43,980
South wall and they followed a series of

541
00:24:50,630 --> 00:24:46,820
tunnels and they found an ancient

542
00:24:53,029 --> 00:24:50,640
Christian ritual chamber

543
00:24:55,909 --> 00:24:53,039
and they had to break in they almost got

544
00:24:59,090 --> 00:24:55,919
killed the story is amazing but

545
00:25:00,710 --> 00:24:59,100
um inside this ritual chamber they found

546
00:25:02,330 --> 00:25:00,720
a ritual bath

547
00:25:05,570 --> 00:25:02,340
amikvah

548
00:25:07,850 --> 00:25:05,580
they found an altar to the east where

549
00:25:08,870 --> 00:25:07,860
there was sacrifices that had taken

550
00:25:11,870 --> 00:25:08,880
place

551
00:25:13,730 --> 00:25:11,880
but on the floor of this chamber

552
00:25:18,529 --> 00:25:13,740
was a fish

553
00:25:21,710 --> 00:25:18,539
shaped tile mosaic of a fish

554
00:25:24,049 --> 00:25:21,720
and on the floor were four ossuaries now

555
00:25:27,950 --> 00:25:24,059
you know what an ossuary is right

556
00:25:31,010 --> 00:25:27,960
and oshawari is a a first century bone

557
00:25:34,070 --> 00:25:31,020
box yep that's only big enough so that

558
00:25:37,190 --> 00:25:34,080
the two largest Bones the femurs fit

559
00:25:38,990 --> 00:25:37,200
inside crossed the skull goes in last

560
00:25:40,130 --> 00:25:39,000
now you know the origin of the skull and

561
00:25:43,669 --> 00:25:40,140
crossbones

562
00:25:46,010 --> 00:25:43,679
but inside those four ossuaries and I'm

563
00:25:48,289 --> 00:25:46,020
happy to to tell this because this is

564
00:25:49,730 --> 00:25:48,299
all published it's not new

565
00:25:52,370 --> 00:25:49,740
they found

566
00:25:55,850 --> 00:25:52,380
12 Scrolls

567
00:25:59,750 --> 00:25:55,860
they found another ossuary with

568
00:26:04,370 --> 00:25:59,760
five devices two for construction two

569
00:26:07,789 --> 00:26:04,380
for navigation and one was a cryptex for

570
00:26:11,690 --> 00:26:07,799
the decoding secret messages

571
00:26:14,570 --> 00:26:11,700
in the third box they found gold bars

572
00:26:16,970 --> 00:26:14,580
and in the fourth box they found the

573
00:26:20,149 --> 00:26:16,980
human remains the skeleton

574
00:26:22,669 --> 00:26:20,159
of somebody whose head had been severed

575
00:26:25,490 --> 00:26:22,679
with the heavy ax

576
00:26:27,230 --> 00:26:25,500
on the side of the box

577
00:26:30,890 --> 00:26:27,240
written in

578
00:26:33,049 --> 00:26:30,900
um Aramaic was the name Yan now of

579
00:26:35,570 --> 00:26:33,059
course there was no jabeck in the first

580
00:26:37,490 --> 00:26:35,580
century and all of these ossuaries the

581
00:26:39,950 --> 00:26:37,500
ossuary culture in Jerusalem only

582
00:26:41,870 --> 00:26:39,960
existed for a hundred years and when the

583
00:26:44,690 --> 00:26:41,880
Roman crushed the Jews and destroyed the

584
00:26:45,350 --> 00:26:44,700
temple around 70 A.D that was the end of

585
00:26:47,450 --> 00:26:45,360
it

586
00:26:50,750 --> 00:26:47,460
so we know these things date back to

587
00:26:51,850 --> 00:26:50,760
that time period yeah and so when a

588
00:27:02,269 --> 00:26:51,860
family

589
00:27:05,330 --> 00:27:02,279
an air a tomb carved out and then inside

590
00:27:09,409 --> 00:27:05,340
of that tooth they would have shelves

591
00:27:13,070 --> 00:27:09,419
Sons daughters Aunts Uncles mom dad and

592
00:27:15,590 --> 00:27:13,080
they would have auschuaries uh tunnels

593
00:27:18,950 --> 00:27:15,600
and push them inside the tunnels they

594
00:27:21,350 --> 00:27:18,960
also had benches that were cut shelves

595
00:27:24,230 --> 00:27:21,360
if you will that were cut into the Rock

596
00:27:26,330 --> 00:27:24,240
and this is where they would take the

597
00:27:28,190 --> 00:27:26,340
body of the deceased that only the

598
00:27:30,529 --> 00:27:28,200
family could process right they would

599
00:27:33,049 --> 00:27:30,539
anoint the body with perfumes and oils

600
00:27:36,169 --> 00:27:33,059
then they would take the body wrap it in

601
00:27:37,970 --> 00:27:36,179
a shroud put it on these benches and

602
00:27:39,890 --> 00:27:37,980
they would let it desiccate for one to

603
00:27:41,870 --> 00:27:39,900
two years and they'd come back and

604
00:27:44,450 --> 00:27:41,880
collect the bones and then put them in

605
00:27:46,490 --> 00:27:44,460
the octuaries and then put them inside

606
00:27:49,730 --> 00:27:46,500
those tunnels and that's where they

607
00:27:51,950 --> 00:27:49,740
would be interred in the family tomb and

608
00:27:54,649 --> 00:27:51,960
uh of course I don't know if you want to

609
00:27:56,210 --> 00:27:54,659
go down that road but some people on my

610
00:27:58,850 --> 00:27:56,220
Twitter thread today were very

611
00:28:01,789 --> 00:27:58,860
interested in talking about the telpia

612
00:28:05,090 --> 00:28:01,799
Tomb in Jerusalem discovered in 1980

613
00:28:07,490 --> 00:28:05,100
that had ten oshuaries with seven very

614
00:28:09,830 --> 00:28:07,500
in interesting names inscribed on them

615
00:28:12,830 --> 00:28:09,840
yeah in the in the backyard of

616
00:28:15,230 --> 00:28:12,840
somebody's house too as well which uh I

617
00:28:18,169 --> 00:28:15,240
mean it's not the backyard but those

618
00:28:21,590 --> 00:28:18,179
tombs were on the hillsides uh

619
00:28:23,390 --> 00:28:21,600
throughout that area which now is you

620
00:28:25,610 --> 00:28:23,400
know it's where everybody lives it's

621
00:28:29,330 --> 00:28:25,620
it's Suburbia

622
00:28:31,669 --> 00:28:29,340
um I I heard something yesterday uh in

623
00:28:33,890 --> 00:28:31,679
one of the courses that I take right in

624
00:28:37,130 --> 00:28:33,900
the history of the world and stuff yep

625
00:28:38,750 --> 00:28:37,140
and I I heard a little tidbit I just

626
00:28:40,250 --> 00:28:38,760
want this has nothing to do with the

627
00:28:43,310 --> 00:28:40,260
show tonight but I thought of you

628
00:28:47,029 --> 00:28:43,320
immediately I did not know this

629
00:28:50,690 --> 00:28:47,039
but when Napoleon uh decided you know

630
00:28:53,630 --> 00:28:50,700
the French government wanted him uh to

631
00:28:55,850 --> 00:28:53,640
invade uh England

632
00:28:58,070 --> 00:28:55,860
but he wasn't a Navy guy you know he's

633
00:28:59,269 --> 00:28:58,080
an infantry guy he said no no no no he

634
00:29:00,470 --> 00:28:59,279
said but we have these ships ready

635
00:29:03,230 --> 00:29:00,480
because no I don't want to mess with

636
00:29:05,810 --> 00:29:03,240
that but I tell you what I wouldn't mind

637
00:29:07,310 --> 00:29:05,820
invading Egypt and they were like okay

638
00:29:09,710 --> 00:29:07,320
that's a good idea that'll mess with

639
00:29:11,510 --> 00:29:09,720
England because their trade route to

640
00:29:15,289 --> 00:29:11,520
India goes through there and if you

641
00:29:19,190 --> 00:29:15,299
invade uh Egypt that'll control their

642
00:29:21,350 --> 00:29:19,200
trade and maybe we can collapse uh uh

643
00:29:23,570 --> 00:29:21,360
you know Britain with that okay so that

644
00:29:26,630 --> 00:29:23,580
was the idea so he takes off he's got 50

645
00:29:31,010 --> 00:29:26,640
ships 50 000 guys and he takes off but

646
00:29:34,310 --> 00:29:31,020
on his way to Egypt he's like man let's

647
00:29:38,690 --> 00:29:34,320
invade Malta right so they they pull the

648
00:29:41,029 --> 00:29:38,700
ships in uh and Malta right uh that was

649
00:29:42,710 --> 00:29:41,039
no coincidence by the way well hold on

650
00:29:45,289 --> 00:29:42,720
hold on hold on this is this is where

651
00:29:47,630 --> 00:29:45,299
the story gets really interesting so

652
00:29:49,669 --> 00:29:47,640
Malta didn't really have it they were

653
00:29:52,310 --> 00:29:49,679
there for like a day and a half it's not

654
00:29:55,310 --> 00:29:52,320
an exaggeration right so they they

655
00:29:56,930 --> 00:29:55,320
invade and and Take Over Malta but while

656
00:30:00,409 --> 00:29:56,940
they were there you know they're

657
00:30:01,870 --> 00:30:00,419
stealing and and they

658
00:30:06,950 --> 00:30:01,880
took

659
00:30:10,029 --> 00:30:06,960
12 12 the number is 12.

660
00:30:15,710 --> 00:30:14,450
solid silver statues of the 12 disciples

661
00:30:19,250 --> 00:30:15,720
of Christ

662
00:30:22,250 --> 00:30:19,260
okay they put those on the ships they

663
00:30:25,130 --> 00:30:22,260
also took

664
00:30:29,110 --> 00:30:25,140
a piece of the True Cross

665
00:30:34,490 --> 00:30:29,120
they decided they felt Napoleon felt bad

666
00:30:37,789 --> 00:30:34,500
he gave them the True Cross piece back

667
00:30:41,810 --> 00:30:37,799
this is all part of Napoleon's Journal

668
00:30:44,210 --> 00:30:41,820
but they take the 12 lifestyes solid

669
00:30:46,070 --> 00:30:44,220
silver statues of the Disciples of

670
00:30:48,529 --> 00:30:46,080
Christ and put those on the ships

671
00:30:51,409 --> 00:30:48,539
those 12 statues

672
00:30:54,470 --> 00:30:51,419
have never been seen they're gone

673
00:30:56,870 --> 00:30:54,480
they're missing and their life size yeah

674
00:31:00,350 --> 00:30:56,880
life sized

675
00:31:02,389 --> 00:31:00,360
right huh they just

676
00:31:04,610 --> 00:31:02,399
they're gone they have never been seen

677
00:31:07,669 --> 00:31:04,620
again well I can tell you this they

678
00:31:09,470 --> 00:31:07,679
didn't disappear they went somewhere

679
00:31:11,330 --> 00:31:09,480
they went somewhere isn't that an

680
00:31:13,130 --> 00:31:11,340
interesting you know I had never heard

681
00:31:16,250 --> 00:31:13,140
that story that's fascinating yourself

682
00:31:18,830 --> 00:31:16,260
and this is a professor of the of uh

683
00:31:20,149 --> 00:31:18,840
here in the state of California teaching

684
00:31:24,590 --> 00:31:20,159
a history class

685
00:31:27,350 --> 00:31:24,600
yeah I was like really okay all right so

686
00:31:30,470 --> 00:31:27,360
a little thing a little nugget uh you

687
00:31:33,710 --> 00:31:30,480
know because of uh uh you're Research

688
00:31:36,110 --> 00:31:33,720
into Malta and uh their version of the

689
00:31:38,269 --> 00:31:36,120
Templars there and and so forth well I

690
00:31:40,549 --> 00:31:38,279
gotta I got a story about Napoleon you

691
00:31:43,490 --> 00:31:40,559
probably haven't heard what's that

692
00:31:47,269 --> 00:31:43,500
so uh did you know that he raided the

693
00:31:49,430 --> 00:31:47,279
Vatican yes do you know that he uh

694
00:31:54,049 --> 00:31:49,440
basically uh went through the archives

695
00:31:56,930 --> 00:31:54,059
and took them yes and recopied all the

696
00:32:00,950 --> 00:31:56,940
Templar documents yes including probably

697
00:32:04,730 --> 00:32:00,960
a copy of the cremona document he rolled

698
00:32:08,510 --> 00:32:04,740
through Italy and literally uh raided

699
00:32:10,669 --> 00:32:08,520
the Vatican this is a part of History

700
00:32:13,850 --> 00:32:10,679
um and and he took a lot a lot of stuff

701
00:32:15,590 --> 00:32:13,860
back to France yep um and when he did

702
00:32:17,750 --> 00:32:15,600
that this is the other thing he was like

703
00:32:20,269 --> 00:32:17,760
27.

704
00:32:22,789 --> 00:32:20,279
and he was his brother oh he was a

705
00:32:25,850 --> 00:32:22,799
brother he was a Freemason he was 29

706
00:32:28,010 --> 00:32:25,860
when he invaded uh Egypt

707
00:32:29,289 --> 00:32:28,020
yeah it was amazing when you think about

708
00:32:32,230 --> 00:32:29,299
it

709
00:32:35,029 --> 00:32:32,240
he was he was a young Brash

710
00:32:38,630 --> 00:32:35,039
SOB he kind of reminds me a little bit

711
00:32:41,210 --> 00:32:38,640
of Bonnie Prince Charlie I mean what did

712
00:32:43,730 --> 00:32:41,220
you do by the time you were 29 years old

713
00:32:46,490 --> 00:32:43,740
well I mean what did you do Scott you

714
00:32:49,190 --> 00:32:46,500
know what Jimmy it's funny you asked

715
00:32:50,990 --> 00:32:49,200
that question I was 26 years old when I

716
00:32:53,450 --> 00:32:51,000
published my first book

717
00:32:55,130 --> 00:32:53,460
and it had nothing to do with any of

718
00:32:59,950 --> 00:32:55,140
this subjects children's books don't

719
00:33:04,070 --> 00:32:59,960
count Sky what rock books do two counts

720
00:33:07,490 --> 00:33:04,080
but yeah these 12 statues you know and

721
00:33:10,430 --> 00:33:07,500
yeah where are they and prior to that uh

722
00:33:13,490 --> 00:33:10,440
he just uh invaded Italy you know swept

723
00:33:15,049 --> 00:33:13,500
through Italy uh raided the Vatican and

724
00:33:18,289 --> 00:33:15,059
was just taking the stuff back to France

725
00:33:20,210 --> 00:33:18,299
going okay who's next you know that's

726
00:33:22,430 --> 00:33:20,220
that's exactly what it made me turn

727
00:33:25,789 --> 00:33:22,440
around and and you know what he did in

728
00:33:27,370 --> 00:33:25,799
Egypt how he ended up there this is the

729
00:33:29,029 --> 00:33:27,380
other crazy part

730
00:33:35,110 --> 00:33:29,039
so

731
00:33:38,509 --> 00:33:35,120
he goes and and Egypt at that time was

732
00:33:41,149 --> 00:33:38,519
uh it there was no real organized

733
00:33:43,909 --> 00:33:41,159
government you know in the late 1700s

734
00:33:46,669 --> 00:33:43,919
right there wasn't anything there easy

735
00:33:48,230 --> 00:33:46,679
to invade no organized armies or

736
00:33:51,649 --> 00:33:48,240
anything like that they had local

737
00:33:54,710 --> 00:33:51,659
Governors these tribe things and and so

738
00:33:57,350 --> 00:33:54,720
but easy right and and there were parts

739
00:33:59,330 --> 00:33:57,360
of you know Cairo that were run you know

740
00:34:01,610 --> 00:33:59,340
the different countries it was it was

741
00:34:03,649 --> 00:34:01,620
like that so he goes in and he thought

742
00:34:05,389 --> 00:34:03,659
he was going to roll through they have

743
00:34:08,329 --> 00:34:05,399
their first

744
00:34:11,270 --> 00:34:08,339
um uh so those 50 ships are parked out

745
00:34:15,050 --> 00:34:11,280
in the Mediterranean he goes Inland goes

746
00:34:17,030 --> 00:34:15,060
to Giza uh 50 000 soldiers uh they have

747
00:34:18,770 --> 00:34:17,040
What's called the Battle of Giza right

748
00:34:20,089 --> 00:34:18,780
wasn't that Giza was seven miles away

749
00:34:22,849 --> 00:34:20,099
from Giza but it's called The Battle of

750
00:34:25,369 --> 00:34:22,859
Giza he eventually yeah he wins it after

751
00:34:28,909 --> 00:34:25,379
a couple of days the next one was called

752
00:34:31,310 --> 00:34:28,919
the battle of the Nile which wasn't uh

753
00:34:33,109 --> 00:34:31,320
on the Nile but close enough those 50

754
00:34:37,010 --> 00:34:33,119
ships are out there

755
00:34:38,750 --> 00:34:37,020
um uh uh the the British had had ships

756
00:34:41,990 --> 00:34:38,760
there but they had real Navy ships with

757
00:34:46,609 --> 00:34:42,000
real guns and Napoleon

758
00:34:48,230 --> 00:34:46,619
had his guns pointed the other way they

759
00:34:52,010 --> 00:34:48,240
sunk

760
00:34:53,570 --> 00:34:52,020
every Napoleon ship including the

761
00:34:56,629 --> 00:34:53,580
biggest ship in the world which was

762
00:34:58,910 --> 00:34:56,639
Napoleon's personal vessel right so they

763
00:35:03,290 --> 00:34:58,920
blow all the he was stuck

764
00:35:05,450 --> 00:35:03,300
that's why he stayed in in Egypt Egypt

765
00:35:08,329 --> 00:35:05,460
yeah he didn't stay but he couldn't get

766
00:35:11,710 --> 00:35:08,339
out of there get out so he put everybody

767
00:35:15,290 --> 00:35:11,720
to work and uh and that's how egyptology

768
00:35:16,970 --> 00:35:15,300
uh was started right and uh all kidding

769
00:35:18,290 --> 00:35:16,980
aside that's that's how it all went down

770
00:35:19,790 --> 00:35:18,300
well that's kind of interesting

771
00:35:22,550 --> 00:35:19,800
sometimes

772
00:35:24,530 --> 00:35:22,560
um well we we there's a million examples

773
00:35:26,990 --> 00:35:24,540
of sometimes the greatest discoveries

774
00:35:28,849 --> 00:35:27,000
happened by accidents or or by

775
00:35:31,910 --> 00:35:28,859
coincidence it's not because somebody

776
00:35:34,250 --> 00:35:31,920
was you know dialed in on I'm going to

777
00:35:36,589 --> 00:35:34,260
go look for this and finding it a lot it

778
00:35:39,050 --> 00:35:36,599
it more often than not it's it's

779
00:35:41,510 --> 00:35:39,060
circumstances right and and an accident

780
00:35:43,490 --> 00:35:41,520
you stumble upon something and oh my God

781
00:35:46,790 --> 00:35:43,500
it's the greatest discovery in the world

782
00:35:49,010 --> 00:35:46,800
right yeah and the other funny thing the

783
00:35:50,630 --> 00:35:49,020
the English when they sunk all of the

784
00:35:52,490 --> 00:35:50,640
French ships which was like the entire

785
00:35:55,010 --> 00:35:52,500
french navy by the way

786
00:35:57,410 --> 00:35:55,020
they didn't even hang around they just

787
00:35:59,750 --> 00:35:57,420
sailed back to England and they said

788
00:36:03,530 --> 00:35:59,760
we're done I just left them there man

789
00:36:08,810 --> 00:36:03,540
they literally left Napoleon in Egypt so

790
00:36:11,990 --> 00:36:08,820
okay so um so so this do we want to go

791
00:36:14,450 --> 00:36:12,000
back and try to keep people focused on

792
00:36:17,150 --> 00:36:14,460
let's go back to the criminals the story

793
00:36:20,450 --> 00:36:17,160
so goddamn complicated I don't know I

794
00:36:22,730 --> 00:36:20,460
think I'm the only person living except

795
00:36:25,609 --> 00:36:22,740
for Don and even Don I don't think is

796
00:36:27,170 --> 00:36:25,619
fully because he was so close to it for

797
00:36:28,849 --> 00:36:27,180
so long I mean you gotta remember

798
00:36:31,310 --> 00:36:28,859
something

799
00:36:33,170 --> 00:36:31,320
um Bill Jackson saved Don's life at one

800
00:36:34,550 --> 00:36:33,180
time they were childhood friends from

801
00:36:37,550 --> 00:36:34,560
seven years old

802
00:36:40,609 --> 00:36:37,560
so he gets this document and the first

803
00:36:44,510 --> 00:36:40,619
thing he does is once he decodes it

804
00:36:47,450 --> 00:36:44,520
he comes to realize that the story

805
00:36:51,650 --> 00:36:47,460
that's told in there is about

806
00:36:54,230 --> 00:36:51,660
six Templar nights that take six ships

807
00:36:58,010 --> 00:36:54,240
and 144 men and women

808
00:37:01,730 --> 00:36:58,020
starting in England in 1177 they go to

809
00:37:04,550 --> 00:37:01,740
Denmark to get the Navigator whose name

810
00:37:07,310 --> 00:37:04,560
was altamara it was a woman

811
00:37:10,510 --> 00:37:07,320
and she led them over here to North

812
00:37:13,130 --> 00:37:10,520
America to go over and recover

813
00:37:15,770 --> 00:37:13,140
ancient Scrolls that had been hidden

814
00:37:18,470 --> 00:37:15,780
that date back to the first century and

815
00:37:20,930 --> 00:37:18,480
beyond in North America

816
00:37:22,670 --> 00:37:20,940
the Scrolls that the Templars recovered

817
00:37:24,349 --> 00:37:22,680
under the Temple mount that we talked

818
00:37:26,210 --> 00:37:24,359
about a little while ago

819
00:37:28,790 --> 00:37:26,220
that's where they found out about those

820
00:37:31,790 --> 00:37:28,800
Scrolls that were over here

821
00:37:33,710 --> 00:37:31,800
and so he leads these six ships over

822
00:37:38,210 --> 00:37:33,720
there but as they're going around

823
00:37:41,450 --> 00:37:38,220
Newfoundland heading south and then West

824
00:37:44,690 --> 00:37:41,460
one of the ships hit rocks and it limped

825
00:37:46,970 --> 00:37:44,700
ashore this is in 1178

826
00:37:49,190 --> 00:37:46,980
and they realize that this thing's

827
00:37:51,650 --> 00:37:49,200
screwed they can't save it they can't

828
00:37:53,930 --> 00:37:51,660
fix it so they offloaded everything they

829
00:37:54,890 --> 00:37:53,940
towed it out into the bay and they sunk

830
00:38:00,950 --> 00:37:54,900
it

831
00:38:08,329 --> 00:38:00,960
so

832
00:38:10,430 --> 00:38:08,339
the notebook that Don kept and one of

833
00:38:14,089 --> 00:38:10,440
the funniest lines in The Notebook

834
00:38:16,609 --> 00:38:14,099
he writes Bill said the magic words he

835
00:38:19,190 --> 00:38:16,619
had invited him to go up to Newfoundland

836
00:38:21,050 --> 00:38:19,200
to go diving to look for stuff he didn't

837
00:38:25,089 --> 00:38:21,060
tell them what they were looking for but

838
00:38:28,970 --> 00:38:25,099
the magic words were I'll pay

839
00:38:31,310 --> 00:38:28,980
now what you have to also understand is

840
00:38:33,950 --> 00:38:31,320
Don never married

841
00:38:35,810 --> 00:38:33,960
never had a family never had kids

842
00:38:39,589 --> 00:38:35,820
and

843
00:38:41,930 --> 00:38:39,599
um he has said he has said to me more

844
00:38:43,310 --> 00:38:41,940
than once when I've asked him the

845
00:38:45,410 --> 00:38:43,320
question I said what are you going to do

846
00:38:48,710 --> 00:38:45,420
with all this [\h__\h] when when when you

847
00:38:52,490 --> 00:38:48,720
pass he goes it's all going to you and

848
00:38:53,630 --> 00:38:52,500
I'm like great but anyway so don was

849
00:38:55,970 --> 00:38:53,640
always available

850
00:38:57,950 --> 00:38:55,980
so Jackson said I want you to come up

851
00:39:01,190 --> 00:38:57,960
there with me he had no idea what they

852
00:39:02,810 --> 00:39:01,200
were doing they scuba dived over the

853
00:39:05,329 --> 00:39:02,820
course of two days

854
00:39:06,310 --> 00:39:05,339
and they found that ship and 35 feet of

855
00:39:09,109 --> 00:39:06,320
water

856
00:39:12,349 --> 00:39:09,119
that convinced Jackson that this

857
00:39:14,329 --> 00:39:12,359
material the story it told was true

858
00:39:17,650 --> 00:39:14,339
so then the next mission that they

859
00:39:22,970 --> 00:39:17,660
undertook okay well hold on Scott

860
00:39:25,670 --> 00:39:22,980
so that ship was one of the six from 77

861
00:39:28,550 --> 00:39:25,680
from the 12th century the late 12th

862
00:39:30,470 --> 00:39:28,560
century yeah 1177 yep okay now there's a

863
00:39:32,030 --> 00:39:30,480
lot of deep a lot more details about the

864
00:39:33,770 --> 00:39:32,040
ship I can tell you but I don't want to

865
00:39:35,690 --> 00:39:33,780
go into that right now you can read

866
00:39:37,970 --> 00:39:35,700
about some of it my cryptic code book

867
00:39:41,089 --> 00:39:37,980
but we know a lot more now that we

868
00:39:42,770 --> 00:39:41,099
haven't published yet now you told me a

869
00:39:44,990 --> 00:39:42,780
couple of years ago that you were going

870
00:39:46,849 --> 00:39:45,000
to scuba dive to this ship yep we have

871
00:39:49,210 --> 00:39:46,859
not done it yet because we don't we

872
00:39:51,530 --> 00:39:49,220
don't have the funding yet because

873
00:39:53,270 --> 00:39:51,540
that's what we're working for we're

874
00:39:55,190 --> 00:39:53,280
hoping to be able to do it late in the

875
00:39:57,589 --> 00:39:55,200
summer this year I think there's a good

876
00:39:58,730 --> 00:39:57,599
chance that we'll be able to do that but

877
00:40:01,790 --> 00:39:58,740
in any case

878
00:40:04,490 --> 00:40:01,800
and that was in 1971. that convinced

879
00:40:07,730 --> 00:40:04,500
Jackson that the story was true so the

880
00:40:09,890 --> 00:40:07,740
next mission was to find the Temple of

881
00:40:12,349 --> 00:40:09,900
the Goddess where these Scrolls were

882
00:40:15,829 --> 00:40:12,359
hidden then eventually Ralph the subtly

883
00:40:18,410 --> 00:40:15,839
did find and he was able to recover half

884
00:40:20,450 --> 00:40:18,420
of the Scrolls and then they wintered

885
00:40:22,609 --> 00:40:20,460
over and eventually sailed back to

886
00:40:24,950 --> 00:40:22,619
saborga Italy where his deposition was

887
00:40:27,710 --> 00:40:24,960
taken in front of the Grand Master of

888
00:40:29,829 --> 00:40:27,720
the Templars at the time A guy by the

889
00:40:31,370 --> 00:40:29,839
name of Odon Odo

890
00:40:35,089 --> 00:40:31,380
and

891
00:40:36,349 --> 00:40:35,099
know about this story

892
00:40:41,650 --> 00:40:36,359
but

893
00:40:45,230 --> 00:40:41,660
okay uh where were uh the tomb right

894
00:40:48,530 --> 00:40:45,240
uh what state was that in obviously it's

895
00:40:51,950 --> 00:40:48,540
East Coast it's it's what it was in the

896
00:40:53,569 --> 00:40:51,960
uh it's what now is Upstate New York on

897
00:40:59,210 --> 00:40:53,579
the top of a mountain

898
00:41:02,150 --> 00:40:59,220
well let me just get back to Jackson so

899
00:41:03,670 --> 00:41:02,160
he and Don for the next get the location

900
00:41:06,950 --> 00:41:03,680
out of you

901
00:41:08,990 --> 00:41:06,960
I told you upstate New York

902
00:41:11,990 --> 00:41:09,000
um and you can read about it it's it's

903
00:41:14,990 --> 00:41:12,000
it's it's near Hunter Mountain

904
00:41:16,970 --> 00:41:15,000
and it's very steep

905
00:41:19,370 --> 00:41:16,980
um that particular area but if you know

906
00:41:21,589 --> 00:41:19,380
anything about that area there are all

907
00:41:24,290 --> 00:41:21,599
kinds of stone structures there's Stone

908
00:41:26,569 --> 00:41:24,300
Carns there's walls there's ancient

909
00:41:29,210 --> 00:41:26,579
dwellings I mean there was there's a lot

910
00:41:30,890 --> 00:41:29,220
going on there but in any case they

911
00:41:33,170 --> 00:41:30,900
spent six years

912
00:41:38,810 --> 00:41:33,180
scouring the mountains hiking on the

913
00:41:40,430 --> 00:41:38,820
mountains and on October 11th of 1977.

914
00:41:45,430 --> 00:41:40,440
they found

915
00:41:51,230 --> 00:41:45,440
altamara

916
00:41:54,170 --> 00:41:51,240
between two warring native tribes some

917
00:41:56,329 --> 00:41:54,180
of the local indigenous tribes were

918
00:41:58,069 --> 00:41:56,339
afraid of the people on the mountain the

919
00:42:00,349 --> 00:41:58,079
people on the Temple of the Goddess so

920
00:42:03,109 --> 00:42:00,359
they attacked them and there was a

921
00:42:06,109 --> 00:42:03,119
battle and she was killed her body was

922
00:42:10,910 --> 00:42:06,119
burned it was put inside of a stone bar

923
00:42:13,250 --> 00:42:10,920
a wooden box a wooden ossuary

924
00:42:15,770 --> 00:42:13,260
and she was put inside of a small cave

925
00:42:17,089 --> 00:42:15,780
with offerings and then it was sealed

926
00:42:20,290 --> 00:42:17,099
with the stone

927
00:42:22,430 --> 00:42:20,300
when she was she was the Navigator

928
00:42:24,349 --> 00:42:22,440
yep yeah

929
00:42:26,270 --> 00:42:24,359
by the time they had gotten there they

930
00:42:28,010 --> 00:42:26,280
had befriended some of the local native

931
00:42:31,849 --> 00:42:28,020
tribes and when they left they were

932
00:42:33,770 --> 00:42:31,859
guided out but she was she was uh she

933
00:42:37,550 --> 00:42:33,780
was killed and

934
00:42:40,490 --> 00:42:37,560
in 1977 they found altamara's tomb on

935
00:42:42,710 --> 00:42:40,500
the mountain and I think that I have

936
00:42:44,750 --> 00:42:42,720
found where that tomb is

937
00:42:48,170 --> 00:42:44,760
uh there's nothing in it now obviously

938
00:42:50,810 --> 00:42:48,180
they took everything back in 1977 but at

939
00:42:52,609 --> 00:42:50,820
that point Bill Jackson

940
00:42:54,410 --> 00:42:52,619
um was done there was nothing else that

941
00:42:56,510 --> 00:42:54,420
he could go look for on the ground there

942
00:42:59,329 --> 00:42:56,520
was a lot of other research that he

943
00:43:02,089 --> 00:42:59,339
could do and did do but nothing else in

944
00:43:03,710 --> 00:43:02,099
the field at that point he decided that

945
00:43:04,730 --> 00:43:03,720
he was going to write a book about all

946
00:43:07,790 --> 00:43:04,740
this

947
00:43:10,430 --> 00:43:07,800
but he had had interactions with certain

948
00:43:12,170 --> 00:43:10,440
Scholars and if you want me to name one

949
00:43:14,030 --> 00:43:12,180
of them who's the biggest [\h__\h] in the

950
00:43:16,069 --> 00:43:14,040
world I'll tell you who he is he's

951
00:43:19,630 --> 00:43:16,079
actually a fairly famous guy

952
00:43:23,210 --> 00:43:19,640
but um only if you say so Jim yeah go

953
00:43:26,150 --> 00:43:23,220
you ever heard of Barry fell yes of

954
00:43:30,349 --> 00:43:26,160
course Barry fell wrote a book called

955
00:43:33,650 --> 00:43:30,359
America BC in 1976. yes he did when

956
00:43:36,650 --> 00:43:33,660
Jackson was looking for help to try to

957
00:43:38,870 --> 00:43:36,660
decode the document that he had

958
00:43:41,210 --> 00:43:38,880
he went to Barry fell

959
00:43:42,950 --> 00:43:41,220
and Barry fell looked at it and helped

960
00:43:45,050 --> 00:43:42,960
him decode it and then he didn't want to

961
00:43:47,470 --> 00:43:45,060
give it back that's right

962
00:43:50,390 --> 00:43:47,480
not a good idea

963
00:43:52,730 --> 00:43:50,400
not not but not with a Spartan dude not

964
00:43:55,190 --> 00:43:52,740
with the Spartan crew well anyway let's

965
00:43:57,530 --> 00:43:55,200
put it this way he's going to publish

966
00:43:59,510 --> 00:43:57,540
that material in his book American BC

967
00:44:02,870 --> 00:43:59,520
but it never happened for obvious

968
00:44:05,510 --> 00:44:02,880
reasons you can go and and and just go

969
00:44:07,250 --> 00:44:05,520
down the berry fell uh rabbit hole on

970
00:44:10,670 --> 00:44:07,260
your own uh there's a lot of information

971
00:44:14,750 --> 00:44:10,680
out there about uh Barry fell but uh

972
00:44:16,910 --> 00:44:14,760
yeah and you know what to be fair he did

973
00:44:20,089 --> 00:44:16,920
a lot of really great work and I commend

974
00:44:23,450 --> 00:44:20,099
him for being really the first academic

975
00:44:25,250 --> 00:44:23,460
to step out of you know the Paradigm and

976
00:44:27,470 --> 00:44:25,260
say there were all kinds of people that

977
00:44:28,970 --> 00:44:27,480
were coming here before Columbus and you

978
00:44:31,490 --> 00:44:28,980
got to remember something this is back

979
00:44:34,670 --> 00:44:31,500
in the early 70s right this is long

980
00:44:36,589 --> 00:44:34,680
before the internet and you know the you

981
00:44:39,770 --> 00:44:36,599
know you had to actually go to libraries

982
00:44:42,290 --> 00:44:39,780
and look at books imagine that right to

983
00:44:45,829 --> 00:44:42,300
do research now we just you know we can

984
00:44:48,770 --> 00:44:45,839
have it at the tip of our fingers but so

985
00:44:51,230 --> 00:44:48,780
the point of telling that story was

986
00:44:53,809 --> 00:44:51,240
because Bill Jackson became frustrated

987
00:44:55,790 --> 00:44:53,819
with Academia and he said screw it I'm

988
00:44:58,010 --> 00:44:55,800
not going to write this because they all

989
00:45:00,770 --> 00:44:58,020
think it's [\h__\h] anyway so why should

990
00:45:03,050 --> 00:45:00,780
I bother so we decided that he was going

991
00:45:06,530 --> 00:45:03,060
to write a novel

992
00:45:08,329 --> 00:45:06,540
and he began that process and he also

993
00:45:11,630 --> 00:45:08,339
one of the things that he did was he

994
00:45:15,170 --> 00:45:11,640
Incorporated the Oak Island mystery this

995
00:45:17,809 --> 00:45:15,180
is back in the 70s and early 80s uh into

996
00:45:20,450 --> 00:45:17,819
his novel but what happened is he

997
00:45:22,730 --> 00:45:20,460
realized that he had uh he was coming

998
00:45:24,710 --> 00:45:22,740
down with Parkinson's disease

999
00:45:28,190 --> 00:45:24,720
and um

1000
00:45:30,890 --> 00:45:28,200
arterial sclerosis and that he was dying

1001
00:45:32,569 --> 00:45:30,900
so he decided to give up on both of

1002
00:45:33,470 --> 00:45:32,579
those projects He never finished either

1003
00:45:36,710 --> 00:45:33,480
one

1004
00:45:38,690 --> 00:45:36,720
and he decided to sell the document in

1005
00:45:40,910 --> 00:45:38,700
1994.

1006
00:45:42,349 --> 00:45:40,920
and you know who he sold it to

1007
00:45:45,530 --> 00:45:42,359
who

1008
00:45:48,349 --> 00:45:45,540
the Vatican oh yeah okay so

1009
00:45:52,190 --> 00:45:48,359
um uh I'm glad that we told this whole

1010
00:45:54,230 --> 00:45:52,200
story because I was actually uh going to

1011
00:45:57,109 --> 00:45:54,240
bring that up earlier in the show

1012
00:45:59,210 --> 00:45:57,119
because that's exactly how this went

1013
00:46:02,390 --> 00:45:59,220
down that's exactly what happened yeah

1014
00:46:04,910 --> 00:46:02,400
and uh so now why would I mean there's

1015
00:46:07,309 --> 00:46:04,920
obvious reasons I just want you to uh

1016
00:46:08,870 --> 00:46:07,319
you know you know put it out there why

1017
00:46:11,270 --> 00:46:08,880
would the Vatican be interested in

1018
00:46:15,050 --> 00:46:11,280
getting this stuff back the answers may

1019
00:46:17,630 --> 00:46:15,060
be obvious but why would the Vatican uh

1020
00:46:20,510 --> 00:46:17,640
want this stuff well

1021
00:46:23,690 --> 00:46:20,520
if you understand what the totality of

1022
00:46:27,069 --> 00:46:23,700
the cremona document is it's talking

1023
00:46:29,870 --> 00:46:27,079
about the actual treasure the locations

1024
00:46:32,150 --> 00:46:29,880
where the Templars hid their Treasures

1025
00:46:37,190 --> 00:46:32,160
beginning back

1026
00:46:39,589 --> 00:46:37,200
century uh all the way up through the

1027
00:46:41,870 --> 00:46:39,599
middle of the 17th century they were

1028
00:46:45,050 --> 00:46:41,880
they were hiding Treasures over in North

1029
00:46:48,170 --> 00:46:45,060
America to be used for someday

1030
00:46:50,990 --> 00:46:48,180
uh that someday that whole mission

1031
00:46:54,050 --> 00:46:51,000
was called The Covenant to establish

1032
00:46:55,690 --> 00:46:54,060
what they call the free Templar state in

1033
00:47:00,109 --> 00:46:55,700
a place where their

1034
00:47:02,630 --> 00:47:00,119
ideological and biological ancestors had

1035
00:47:05,150 --> 00:47:02,640
already been thousands of years before

1036
00:47:07,010 --> 00:47:05,160
them I mean this whole notion that

1037
00:47:09,829 --> 00:47:07,020
Columbus discovered anything I mean

1038
00:47:11,809 --> 00:47:09,839
today does anybody really even accept

1039
00:47:14,150 --> 00:47:11,819
that narrative I don't think so I mean

1040
00:47:18,050 --> 00:47:14,160
that's something they do I don't I it's

1041
00:47:20,390 --> 00:47:18,060
it's weird how In Our Lifetime

1042
00:47:23,390 --> 00:47:20,400
righteous In Our Lifetime that that

1043
00:47:27,410 --> 00:47:23,400
whole thing has been

1044
00:47:29,770 --> 00:47:27,420
pretty much flipped you know and nobody

1045
00:47:32,510 --> 00:47:29,780
wants to say Columbus Day anymore

1046
00:47:34,609 --> 00:47:32,520
well no it's it's called indigenous

1047
00:47:36,349 --> 00:47:34,619
people's day now right

1048
00:47:40,250 --> 00:47:36,359
but he wanted to hey man you guys get

1049
00:47:46,190 --> 00:47:42,230
I don't take that day

1050
00:47:49,670 --> 00:47:46,200
principle I go into work and I work my

1051
00:47:52,069 --> 00:47:49,680
my answer palities exactly so

1052
00:47:54,829 --> 00:47:52,079
um okay so we sold it to the Vatican

1053
00:47:58,069 --> 00:47:54,839
right right now

1054
00:48:00,589 --> 00:47:58,079
and he he got a pretty good price for it

1055
00:48:02,030 --> 00:48:00,599
there's a an interesting detail that I

1056
00:48:04,730 --> 00:48:02,040
want to tell you about that a lot of

1057
00:48:07,250 --> 00:48:04,740
people will never know unless we have a

1058
00:48:09,109 --> 00:48:07,260
conversation like this but you know Bill

1059
00:48:10,670 --> 00:48:09,119
Jackson didn't call up the Vatican and

1060
00:48:12,650 --> 00:48:10,680
say hey I got a document I think you

1061
00:48:14,950 --> 00:48:12,660
guys might want of course he went

1062
00:48:18,530 --> 00:48:14,960
through one of his military contacts

1063
00:48:20,390 --> 00:48:18,540
that met with an agent that represented

1064
00:48:26,089 --> 00:48:20,400
the church

1065
00:48:27,410 --> 00:48:26,099
was a guy named Arch Bishop Paul

1066
00:48:30,109 --> 00:48:27,420
marcinkus

1067
00:48:32,930 --> 00:48:30,119
does that name ring a bell no it does

1068
00:48:35,510 --> 00:48:32,940
not okay well if you Google it he will

1069
00:48:38,930 --> 00:48:35,520
come right up and if you look at him

1070
00:48:40,250 --> 00:48:38,940
he's a big strong badass

1071
00:48:43,250 --> 00:48:40,260
guy

1072
00:48:46,069 --> 00:48:43,260
he was a he was a uh a heavy for the

1073
00:48:49,970 --> 00:48:46,079
church he was the guy that killed Pope

1074
00:48:52,250 --> 00:48:49,980
John Paul the first in 1978. he was the

1075
00:48:55,430 --> 00:48:52,260
only guy that had a key to the secret

1076
00:48:57,349 --> 00:48:55,440
entrance to his bed Chambers

1077
00:48:59,150 --> 00:48:57,359
and he was the pope that was killed

1078
00:49:01,550 --> 00:48:59,160
after 33 days

1079
00:49:04,010 --> 00:49:01,560
and they tried to pin it on Freemasonry

1080
00:49:07,069 --> 00:49:04,020
but that didn't didn't fly now

1081
00:49:09,109 --> 00:49:07,079
Archbishop Paul marcinkus was a bad guy

1082
00:49:11,390 --> 00:49:09,119
and he took care of things for the

1083
00:49:14,210 --> 00:49:11,400
church sort of um

1084
00:49:16,490 --> 00:49:14,220
you know the dirty work so to speak he

1085
00:49:18,710 --> 00:49:16,500
was involved in the P2 Scandal back in

1086
00:49:22,370 --> 00:49:18,720
the 70s and early 80s the money

1087
00:49:25,190 --> 00:49:22,380
laundering uh Scandal that uh the mafia

1088
00:49:26,569 --> 00:49:25,200
was laundering money through the Vatican

1089
00:49:29,030 --> 00:49:26,579
and they tried to blame it on

1090
00:49:32,390 --> 00:49:29,040
Freemasonry and other people and they

1091
00:49:34,250 --> 00:49:32,400
were caught but anyway you remember the

1092
00:49:37,309 --> 00:49:34,260
movie The Da Vinci Code

1093
00:49:41,270 --> 00:49:37,319
no what what was that well it was about

1094
00:49:45,890 --> 00:49:43,250
you remember you remember the albino

1095
00:49:50,030 --> 00:49:47,930
yeah that's still still one of the

1096
00:49:52,910 --> 00:49:50,040
creepiest dudes in cinema history by the

1097
00:49:55,970 --> 00:49:52,920
way uh that guy was patterned after

1098
00:49:57,950 --> 00:49:55,980
he was in that character was inspired by

1099
00:50:00,470 --> 00:49:57,960
Paul marcinkus that was written by

1100
00:50:04,970 --> 00:50:00,480
Charlie Brown right

1101
00:50:07,370 --> 00:50:04,980
I think so yeah I'm pretty sure so

1102
00:50:08,990 --> 00:50:07,380
um let me just say one last thing stop

1103
00:50:10,970 --> 00:50:09,000
stop I just gotta tell you what happened

1104
00:50:13,630 --> 00:50:10,980
to marcinkus no we'll get back to

1105
00:50:16,430 --> 00:50:13,640
marcinkus here I'll write it down

1106
00:50:18,410 --> 00:50:16,440
Mar cincus see there it is right there

1107
00:50:20,089 --> 00:50:18,420
marsinkus look him up he'll come right

1108
00:50:22,910 --> 00:50:20,099
up okay okay

1109
00:50:25,910 --> 00:50:22,920
um well remember the banker hung himself

1110
00:50:29,270 --> 00:50:25,920
of the Vatican Banker from the bridge

1111
00:50:32,630 --> 00:50:29,280
and and had rocks in his pocket but yeah

1112
00:50:34,550 --> 00:50:32,640
he's okay so we can get all we'll get

1113
00:50:35,930 --> 00:50:34,560
back to marsinkus all right the crazy

1114
00:50:40,390 --> 00:50:35,940
part of the story

1115
00:50:45,349 --> 00:50:40,400
um but it's this if if they are

1116
00:50:49,430 --> 00:50:45,359
referencing six ships in 1177 that are

1117
00:50:53,089 --> 00:50:49,440
dispatched to go and pick up stuff that

1118
00:50:55,670 --> 00:50:53,099
was there from the first century we're

1119
00:50:58,069 --> 00:50:55,680
getting into a crazy timeline is the

1120
00:51:01,250 --> 00:50:58,079
cremona document by the way is it called

1121
00:51:03,890 --> 00:51:01,260
cremona because of the violin instrument

1122
00:51:05,049 --> 00:51:03,900
center of the world which is cremona

1123
00:51:07,910 --> 00:51:05,059
okay

1124
00:51:12,349 --> 00:51:07,920
it's actually called Veritas vas

1125
00:51:14,630 --> 00:51:12,359
liberabet but um okay but we named it we

1126
00:51:17,630 --> 00:51:14,640
named it Don and I named it the cremona

1127
00:51:19,490 --> 00:51:17,640
document it for a while in Jackson's

1128
00:51:23,150 --> 00:51:19,500
time before he sold it it was called the

1129
00:51:25,910 --> 00:51:23,160
DeLeon file the reason for that stay

1130
00:51:28,790 --> 00:51:25,920
with me was because remember I told you

1131
00:51:31,910 --> 00:51:28,800
they went to Denmark to pick up altamara

1132
00:51:34,490 --> 00:51:31,920
to be the Navigator well she was in the

1133
00:51:35,870 --> 00:51:34,500
king's court and the King was a Templar

1134
00:51:38,630 --> 00:51:35,880
and he said well she's not going

1135
00:51:41,030 --> 00:51:38,640
anywhere unless somebody marries her so

1136
00:51:43,309 --> 00:51:41,040
one of the six Templar knights named

1137
00:51:45,950 --> 00:51:43,319
Ponce de Leon not the one you're

1138
00:51:49,790 --> 00:51:45,960
thinking of but about a 400 year

1139
00:51:52,970 --> 00:51:49,800
probably ancestor beforehand married her

1140
00:51:56,510 --> 00:51:52,980
so her name was actually altamara de

1141
00:51:59,630 --> 00:51:56,520
Leon and that and so Jackson called it

1142
00:52:02,089 --> 00:51:59,640
the DeLeon file for a long time but Don

1143
00:52:05,750 --> 00:52:02,099
and I renamed it the cremona document

1144
00:52:08,329 --> 00:52:05,760
just for clarity okay so back to the

1145
00:52:13,309 --> 00:52:08,339
point that I was trying to get out of

1146
00:52:16,150 --> 00:52:13,319
you 1177 yes it ships dispatched to pick

1147
00:52:21,589 --> 00:52:16,160
up stuff

1148
00:52:23,990 --> 00:52:21,599
Scott man let me just open yeah Scott uh

1149
00:52:26,530 --> 00:52:24,000
1177 to pick up stuff from the first

1150
00:52:31,309 --> 00:52:26,540
century that was here in North America

1151
00:52:35,770 --> 00:52:31,319
is that suggesting that ships were here

1152
00:52:39,530 --> 00:52:35,780
A Thousand Years prior to

1153
00:52:42,470 --> 00:52:39,540
11.77. that's what I want to know hell

1154
00:52:45,290 --> 00:52:42,480
yes and before that

1155
00:52:49,069 --> 00:52:45,300
remember what happened in the first

1156
00:52:51,890 --> 00:52:49,079
century at about that time you had the

1157
00:52:53,329 --> 00:52:51,900
rules destroyed Jerusalem right the

1158
00:52:56,030 --> 00:52:53,339
Jewish Wars yeah and you had the

1159
00:52:58,849 --> 00:52:56,040
diaspora you had these people that fled

1160
00:53:00,470 --> 00:52:58,859
right some of those people came over

1161
00:53:02,930 --> 00:53:00,480
here

1162
00:53:05,329 --> 00:53:02,940
now you remember something called the

1163
00:53:09,349 --> 00:53:05,339
bat Creek Stone I do

1164
00:53:11,390 --> 00:53:09,359
that was found inside of a a Cherokee

1165
00:53:14,390 --> 00:53:11,400
Barrett what is now a Cherokee territory

1166
00:53:18,770 --> 00:53:15,109
um

1167
00:53:21,049 --> 00:53:18,780
Hebrew Hebrew paleo Hebrew first century

1168
00:53:25,430 --> 00:53:21,059
well actually the c-14 dates were

1169
00:53:28,490 --> 00:53:25,440
between 70 and 700 A.D so somebody came

1170
00:53:30,890 --> 00:53:28,500
here before 700 A.D possibly as far back

1171
00:53:33,650 --> 00:53:30,900
as the first century now we have these

1172
00:53:36,290 --> 00:53:33,660
Scrolls that date back that far and and

1173
00:53:37,970 --> 00:53:36,300
even farther right we don't know when

1174
00:53:41,150 --> 00:53:37,980
they were brought over and hidden on the

1175
00:53:43,430 --> 00:53:41,160
mountain here but um

1176
00:53:46,490 --> 00:53:43,440
it certainly looks like we had ancient

1177
00:53:49,370 --> 00:53:46,500
Hebrews that were here 2000 years ago

1178
00:53:51,770 --> 00:53:49,380
almost 2 000 years ago now those ships

1179
00:53:54,710 --> 00:53:51,780
if we go you know we're talking about

1180
00:53:56,870 --> 00:53:54,720
two Millennia now this is not you know

1181
00:53:59,950 --> 00:53:56,880
last week this is this is a great amount

1182
00:54:03,589 --> 00:53:59,960
of time and to have

1183
00:54:05,809 --> 00:54:03,599
trans-oceanic ships that would it's one

1184
00:54:07,609 --> 00:54:05,819
thing to cruise up and down the Nile or

1185
00:54:10,250 --> 00:54:07,619
to putter or around the Mediterranean

1186
00:54:12,170 --> 00:54:10,260
right that that's one thing you know

1187
00:54:13,790 --> 00:54:12,180
kissing along the shoreline it's another

1188
00:54:16,609 --> 00:54:13,800
thing to cross the Atlantic altogether

1189
00:54:18,650 --> 00:54:16,619
it's a it's an insane thing wait wait

1190
00:54:23,990 --> 00:54:18,660
wait wait wait I I can I interject for a

1191
00:54:27,530 --> 00:54:24,000
sec no you can't so these are are we

1192
00:54:29,690 --> 00:54:27,540
talking about a dispatch from Jerusalem

1193
00:54:32,630 --> 00:54:29,700
and that area uh The Far Side of the

1194
00:54:35,930 --> 00:54:32,640
Mediterranean Lebanon Jerusalem uh are

1195
00:54:42,370 --> 00:54:35,940
we talking about from Cairo Italy Greece

1196
00:54:46,670 --> 00:54:42,380
so these ships that came across it at

1197
00:54:50,329 --> 00:54:46,680
2000 at the 2000 years ago uh somewhere

1198
00:54:53,089 --> 00:54:50,339
around the year zero to one hundred

1199
00:54:55,549 --> 00:54:53,099
um where did they what culture had that

1200
00:54:57,410 --> 00:54:55,559
ability to cross the Atlantic well I

1201
00:55:01,069 --> 00:54:57,420
think the Phoenicians

1202
00:55:03,589 --> 00:55:01,079
um certainly had that technology and you

1203
00:55:06,589 --> 00:55:03,599
know getting back to this whole idea of

1204
00:55:08,210 --> 00:55:06,599
you said this is a ridiculous task

1205
00:55:11,150 --> 00:55:08,220
do you remember I told you about the

1206
00:55:14,329 --> 00:55:11,160
encrypted documents that we have within

1207
00:55:17,329 --> 00:55:14,339
the cremona document we have we have at

1208
00:55:19,849 --> 00:55:17,339
least nine of them one of them is called

1209
00:55:24,650 --> 00:55:19,859
the quetzalocodal

1210
00:55:29,030 --> 00:55:24,660
because that's the cipher phrase that's

1211
00:55:32,150 --> 00:55:29,040
used to decode it but um basically what

1212
00:55:34,849 --> 00:55:32,160
the message is is instructions on how to

1213
00:55:36,890 --> 00:55:34,859
get over to the Americas taking the

1214
00:55:39,170 --> 00:55:36,900
southern route but if you take the

1215
00:55:41,750 --> 00:55:39,180
northern route basically it's island

1216
00:55:43,609 --> 00:55:41,760
hopping and I have talked to people when

1217
00:55:46,370 --> 00:55:43,619
I did America on Earth we did an episode

1218
00:55:49,130 --> 00:55:46,380
about the Irish uh ancient Irish coming

1219
00:55:51,349 --> 00:55:49,140
over to North North America and they

1220
00:55:54,589 --> 00:55:51,359
said that when you leave from Scotland

1221
00:55:58,069 --> 00:55:54,599
or Norway you can go to rock all you can

1222
00:55:58,730 --> 00:55:58,079
go to Iceland to Greenland to

1223
00:56:02,270 --> 00:55:58,740
um

1224
00:56:04,309 --> 00:56:02,280
uh Newfoundland to uh Baffin Island to

1225
00:56:07,010 --> 00:56:04,319
Newfoundland and then down to Nova

1226
00:56:09,530 --> 00:56:07,020
Scotia and if the weather is good

1227
00:56:12,109 --> 00:56:09,540
you could see land the entire way you

1228
00:56:14,750 --> 00:56:12,119
get about halfway to Iceland you can see

1229
00:56:17,569 --> 00:56:14,760
rock all behind you and Iceland visually

1230
00:56:19,910 --> 00:56:17,579
you could see it so basically you were

1231
00:56:22,549 --> 00:56:19,920
island hopping all the way there now

1232
00:56:24,290 --> 00:56:22,559
that in principle sounds great could you

1233
00:56:27,589 --> 00:56:24,300
see every day of course not it was

1234
00:56:29,569 --> 00:56:27,599
cloudy and storms and and rough seas and

1235
00:56:32,089 --> 00:56:29,579
currents and all that I mean it wasn't

1236
00:56:34,130 --> 00:56:32,099
an easy Journey but it wasn't as

1237
00:56:36,170 --> 00:56:34,140
difficult as some people want to try to

1238
00:56:37,990 --> 00:56:36,180
make it and I can tell you that we know

1239
00:56:41,089 --> 00:56:38,000
that the Scots were coming over here

1240
00:56:43,549 --> 00:56:41,099
routinely all the time the basks were

1241
00:56:46,730 --> 00:56:43,559
coming over here the damn Vikings were

1242
00:56:49,190 --> 00:56:46,740
here before the the Templars and you

1243
00:56:51,170 --> 00:56:49,200
know coming from Norway and a lot of

1244
00:56:52,670 --> 00:56:51,180
people don't understand that a lot of

1245
00:56:55,970 --> 00:56:52,680
these

1246
00:56:58,250 --> 00:56:55,980
um Scottish Earls were vassals to the

1247
00:57:00,049 --> 00:56:58,260
Norwegian King and they were Sailors for

1248
00:57:02,270 --> 00:57:00,059
God's sakes you think they didn't learn

1249
00:57:03,650 --> 00:57:02,280
about North America I mean give me a

1250
00:57:05,690 --> 00:57:03,660
break

1251
00:57:06,950 --> 00:57:05,700
um in sailing circles these captains

1252
00:57:09,589 --> 00:57:06,960
would get together and have a few

1253
00:57:12,049 --> 00:57:09,599
clients and let me tell you they would

1254
00:57:15,410 --> 00:57:12,059
they would talk and and

1255
00:57:18,230 --> 00:57:15,420
so look the worst kept secret in sailing

1256
00:57:20,150 --> 00:57:18,240
circles was the new world probably going

1257
00:57:25,190 --> 00:57:20,160
back thousands of years

1258
00:57:28,730 --> 00:57:25,200
yeah and and more and more things are

1259
00:57:32,510 --> 00:57:28,740
just accepted today and and and one of

1260
00:57:33,549 --> 00:57:32,520
them is yes the Vikings definitely 100

1261
00:57:36,410 --> 00:57:33,559
percent

1262
00:57:39,349 --> 00:57:36,420
established themselves further and

1263
00:57:41,870 --> 00:57:39,359
further west right um all the way to

1264
00:57:43,970 --> 00:57:41,880
North America there's uh all of the

1265
00:57:49,069 --> 00:57:43,980
evidence is there for that which

1266
00:57:52,790 --> 00:57:49,079
predates uh Columbus by a long time and

1267
00:57:55,790 --> 00:57:52,800
and and this is uh the accepted part of

1268
00:57:58,069 --> 00:57:55,800
our history these days and and they

1269
00:58:01,190 --> 00:57:58,079
didn't stop in Greenland right they just

1270
00:58:03,650 --> 00:58:01,200
they did they went all the way to uh to

1271
00:58:05,750 --> 00:58:03,660
North America now how far inland did

1272
00:58:07,849 --> 00:58:05,760
they go okay well we're still figuring

1273
00:58:10,690 --> 00:58:07,859
that out but at least that much has been

1274
00:58:14,270 --> 00:58:10,700
established right that that that

1275
00:58:16,549 --> 00:58:14,280
coming over from northern Europe well we

1276
00:58:19,849 --> 00:58:16,559
have we have all kinds of artifacts here

1277
00:58:21,589 --> 00:58:19,859
that talk about extensive presence of

1278
00:58:23,510 --> 00:58:21,599
course all these things have been

1279
00:58:25,670 --> 00:58:23,520
dismissed like the Kensington runestone

1280
00:58:27,650 --> 00:58:25,680
the spirit Pond runestone the

1281
00:58:30,589 --> 00:58:27,660
Narragansett

1282
00:58:32,870 --> 00:58:30,599
um there's the in Hawk signal Vincy

1283
00:58:34,609 --> 00:58:32,880
Stone I mean my God there's so much and

1284
00:58:35,990 --> 00:58:34,619
it's all been dismissed by people that

1285
00:58:39,289 --> 00:58:36,000
don't know what the hell they're talking

1286
00:58:41,329 --> 00:58:39,299
about and I mean I don't want to go on

1287
00:58:44,410 --> 00:58:41,339
my rant that I go on but I just find

1288
00:58:47,210 --> 00:58:44,420
this incredible that uh the the

1289
00:58:50,150 --> 00:58:47,220
archaeologists the historians the

1290
00:58:53,270 --> 00:58:50,160
anthropologists the roonologists

1291
00:58:54,950 --> 00:58:53,280
um these people that are in Humanities

1292
00:58:57,589 --> 00:58:54,960
disciplines which are wonderful

1293
00:59:01,069 --> 00:58:57,599
disciplines don't get me wrong okay but

1294
00:59:03,829 --> 00:59:01,079
they're not hard science disciplines

1295
00:59:07,069 --> 00:59:03,839
I'm a geologist that's hard science

1296
00:59:08,569 --> 00:59:07,079
right I run a materials forensic

1297
00:59:10,849 --> 00:59:08,579
laboratory I've been doing this for 40

1298
00:59:13,309 --> 00:59:10,859
years I know a little something about

1299
00:59:15,109 --> 00:59:13,319
the scientific method but when I talk

1300
00:59:16,490 --> 00:59:15,119
about the Kensington runestone and the

1301
00:59:18,890 --> 00:59:16,500
work that I've done on that or the

1302
00:59:20,630 --> 00:59:18,900
Newport Tower or Spirit pound or any of

1303
00:59:22,190 --> 00:59:20,640
these others

1304
00:59:24,770 --> 00:59:22,200
um

1305
00:59:27,349 --> 00:59:24,780
I performed hard science on these things

1306
00:59:29,870 --> 00:59:27,359
and I got to tell you something

1307
00:59:33,349 --> 00:59:29,880
um my reputation my credibility is very

1308
00:59:35,270 --> 00:59:33,359
important to me and if I don't have the

1309
00:59:36,770 --> 00:59:35,280
evidence to say something I'm not going

1310
00:59:40,309 --> 00:59:36,780
to say it

1311
00:59:43,670 --> 00:59:40,319
but if I do I'm gonna say it and I've

1312
00:59:45,530 --> 00:59:43,680
said it and I will stand behind every

1313
00:59:48,230 --> 00:59:45,540
single word I've said about any of these

1314
00:59:50,030 --> 00:59:48,240
artifacts and I've got these clowns I'm

1315
00:59:52,069 --> 00:59:50,040
sorry that's what I'm going to call them

1316
00:59:54,109 --> 00:59:52,079
that are standing on their their their

1317
00:59:56,150 --> 00:59:54,119
Ivory chairs

1318
00:59:58,069 --> 00:59:56,160
that are telling me that I don't

1319
01:00:00,289 --> 00:59:58,079
understand scientific method because

1320
01:00:02,750 --> 01:00:00,299
these things are fake

1321
01:00:04,670 --> 01:00:02,760
and I said look you want to have a

1322
01:00:06,770 --> 01:00:04,680
discussion you want to be an adult and

1323
01:00:08,030 --> 01:00:06,780
have a discussion let's have a

1324
01:00:10,490 --> 01:00:08,040
discussion

1325
01:00:13,910 --> 01:00:10,500
what evidence do you have that proves

1326
01:00:17,390 --> 01:00:13,920
the runestones are fake that the Newport

1327
01:00:19,789 --> 01:00:17,400
Tower was a friggin windmill are you

1328
01:00:22,069 --> 01:00:19,799
kidding me where's the evidence for that

1329
01:00:24,410 --> 01:00:22,079
talk to a structural engineer and you

1330
01:00:26,990 --> 01:00:24,420
tell them you know the Newport Tower was

1331
01:00:30,289 --> 01:00:27,000
a windmill and they start laughing but

1332
01:00:31,370 --> 01:00:30,299
yet historians and academics historians

1333
01:00:33,349 --> 01:00:31,380
won't

1334
01:00:35,630 --> 01:00:33,359
accept this

1335
01:00:37,809 --> 01:00:35,640
I mean to me it's mind-boggling and

1336
01:00:41,809 --> 01:00:37,819
frankly it's irresponsible

1337
01:00:43,970 --> 01:00:41,819
they are abusing uh their Authority

1338
01:00:46,490 --> 01:00:43,980
their perceived Authority and I'm sorry

1339
01:00:49,870 --> 01:00:46,500
to go on a rant but it's fine that's

1340
01:00:52,370 --> 01:00:49,880
fine it just makes me crazy Jesus

1341
01:00:55,010 --> 01:00:52,380
that's a good spot to take a break let's

1342
01:00:58,490 --> 01:00:55,020
do that and we will be right back more

1343
01:01:00,470 --> 01:00:58,500
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1344
01:01:02,750 --> 01:01:00,480
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01:01:04,970 --> 01:01:02,760
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all right Welcome Back Fade to Black I

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01:04:16,490 --> 01:04:14,160
am your host Jimmy church tonight Scott

1419
01:04:20,510 --> 01:04:16,500
Walter is with us

1420
01:04:22,630 --> 01:04:20,520
and we uh we just set up everything uh

1421
01:04:25,670 --> 01:04:22,640
with the cremona document it's history

1422
01:04:27,410 --> 01:04:25,680
uh the implications that are laid out

1423
01:04:30,289 --> 01:04:27,420
there

1424
01:04:32,210 --> 01:04:30,299
um and and now we're gonna we're gonna

1425
01:04:34,549 --> 01:04:32,220
take an interesting turn

1426
01:04:37,069 --> 01:04:34,559
and we're gonna talk about Scott

1427
01:04:39,289 --> 01:04:37,079
mentioned earlier one of the one of the

1428
01:04:42,069 --> 01:04:39,299
great Mysteries uh not only of the Bible

1429
01:04:46,970 --> 01:04:42,079
and religion but of world history itself

1430
01:04:48,950 --> 01:04:46,980
is the book of Wars of the Lord and

1431
01:04:51,950 --> 01:04:48,960
um I want to say uh this really quick

1432
01:04:53,990 --> 01:04:51,960
I'm I'm bringing in Scott when you go

1433
01:04:57,109 --> 01:04:54,000
and research

1434
01:05:00,710 --> 01:04:57,119
and Scott has asked me to uh do this

1435
01:05:02,870 --> 01:05:00,720
many times uh over the years Jimmy the

1436
01:05:06,950 --> 01:05:02,880
key is the book of the wars of the Lord

1437
01:05:08,690 --> 01:05:06,960
and so I've gone uh Which Scott has

1438
01:05:11,450 --> 01:05:08,700
helped me do many times has jumped down

1439
01:05:14,809 --> 01:05:11,460
rabbit holes and this is one of them and

1440
01:05:18,410 --> 01:05:14,819
so trying to research this book is a

1441
01:05:21,829 --> 01:05:18,420
difficult thing to do I will say this

1442
01:05:26,089 --> 01:05:21,839
um the book of the wars of the Lord

1443
01:05:29,510 --> 01:05:26,099
um uh is uh is a book referenced in the

1444
01:05:34,150 --> 01:05:29,520
Bible which has now been completely lost

1445
01:05:36,530 --> 01:05:34,160
it is mentioned in numbers 21 13 14

1446
01:05:38,630 --> 01:05:36,540
which reads I'm going to read this Scott

1447
01:05:42,109 --> 01:05:38,640
and then we're going to continue

1448
01:05:45,109 --> 01:05:42,119
from there they set out and camped on

1449
01:05:47,630 --> 01:05:45,119
the other side of Arnon which is in the

1450
01:05:50,690 --> 01:05:47,640
desert and bounding the uh Amari

1451
01:05:54,530 --> 01:05:50,700
territory for Arnon is the border of

1452
01:05:58,030 --> 01:05:54,540
Moab between Moab and the amorites that

1453
01:06:00,710 --> 01:05:58,040
is why the bulk of the wars of the Lord

1454
01:06:05,510 --> 01:06:00,720
says then this is directly from the

1455
01:06:08,450 --> 01:06:05,520
Bible quote wahib in subha and The

1456
01:06:10,789 --> 01:06:08,460
Ravines of Arnon and at the stream of

1457
01:06:14,510 --> 01:06:10,799
The Ravines that lead to the dwelling of

1458
01:06:17,690 --> 01:06:14,520
R which lies along the border of Moab

1459
01:06:21,049 --> 01:06:17,700
and that's numbers 21 13 14. now there

1460
01:06:25,490 --> 01:06:21,059
are a couple of other references

1461
01:06:29,390 --> 01:06:25,500
um uh uh in the Bible about this not as

1462
01:06:32,569 --> 01:06:29,400
direct as that that says uh the book of

1463
01:06:38,089 --> 01:06:32,579
the wars of the Lord but apparently that

1464
01:06:43,069 --> 01:06:38,099
God asked Moses and uh uh it was uh it

1465
01:06:48,349 --> 01:06:43,079
was it was Moses and I'm trying to think

1466
01:06:51,589 --> 01:06:48,359
of uh there was other two ask them to

1467
01:06:53,690 --> 01:06:51,599
write this book and and to Chronicle and

1468
01:06:56,569 --> 01:06:53,700
and that the book of the words of the

1469
01:07:00,410 --> 01:06:56,579
Lord was authored by Moses and uh two

1470
01:07:02,870 --> 01:07:00,420
other authors why is first off

1471
01:07:06,230 --> 01:07:02,880
there isn't any of this in existence

1472
01:07:08,210 --> 01:07:06,240
have you seen I've got five questions so

1473
01:07:11,029 --> 01:07:08,220
let's start with this have you seen the

1474
01:07:13,010 --> 01:07:11,039
wars of the book of the Lord

1475
01:07:14,930 --> 01:07:13,020
parts of it yes

1476
01:07:16,730 --> 01:07:14,940
two parts

1477
01:07:24,650 --> 01:07:16,740
how

1478
01:07:27,589 --> 01:07:24,660
Bible was this now also uh written in

1479
01:07:30,589 --> 01:07:27,599
1100 BC

1480
01:07:32,569 --> 01:07:30,599
yeah yeah under BC

1481
01:07:35,029 --> 01:07:32,579
um how big of a chapter of the Old

1482
01:07:40,010 --> 01:07:35,039
Testament was this

1483
01:07:43,069 --> 01:07:40,020
well one one part is made up of two I

1484
01:07:45,890 --> 01:07:43,079
guess I would say two large paragraphs

1485
01:07:48,049 --> 01:07:45,900
but what's contained in the one part in

1486
01:07:50,809 --> 01:07:48,059
these two paragraphs

1487
01:07:57,289 --> 01:07:50,819
is some profound stuff

1488
01:08:03,170 --> 01:07:57,299
and it it um it it all goes back to

1489
01:08:05,150 --> 01:08:03,180
um early Hebrew history that talks about

1490
01:08:07,849 --> 01:08:05,160
um

1491
01:08:09,950 --> 01:08:07,859
what they what they call God what they

1492
01:08:11,990 --> 01:08:09,960
would call deity and I don't want to

1493
01:08:14,329 --> 01:08:12,000
give away too much because I want to I

1494
01:08:16,070 --> 01:08:14,339
want to drop this when we we go to the

1495
01:08:18,470 --> 01:08:16,080
conference

1496
01:08:21,650 --> 01:08:18,480
um but it is

1497
01:08:24,530 --> 01:08:21,660
I will say this much based on my own

1498
01:08:26,749 --> 01:08:24,540
research that I've done

1499
01:08:28,490 --> 01:08:26,759
with the Templars

1500
01:08:33,769 --> 01:08:28,500
um with the runestone with the hook

1501
01:08:37,070 --> 01:08:33,779
decks it it absolutely 100 percent

1502
01:08:40,550 --> 01:08:37,080
uh supports all the work we've done and

1503
01:08:42,229 --> 01:08:40,560
that'll make that may sound strange but

1504
01:08:44,450 --> 01:08:42,239
when it all comes out you'll understand

1505
01:08:48,650 --> 01:08:44,460
what I'm talking about and it's going to

1506
01:08:50,930 --> 01:08:48,660
be a pretty intense uh Workshop that

1507
01:08:53,930 --> 01:08:50,940
we're gonna have and I I think people

1508
01:08:55,550 --> 01:08:53,940
are going to absolutely love it there's

1509
01:08:57,349 --> 01:08:55,560
there's not going to be anybody that I

1510
01:08:59,450 --> 01:08:57,359
think is going to say well that can't be

1511
01:09:03,590 --> 01:08:59,460
they're going to say that makes perfect

1512
01:09:04,729 --> 01:09:03,600
sense now in the other part it's much

1513
01:09:06,470 --> 01:09:04,739
longer

1514
01:09:09,530 --> 01:09:06,480
and

1515
01:09:13,370 --> 01:09:09,540
it tells um

1516
01:09:17,809 --> 01:09:13,380
it basically tells the story

1517
01:09:19,669 --> 01:09:17,819
of why the Temple of Jerusalem was built

1518
01:09:22,490 --> 01:09:19,679
where it was

1519
01:09:26,269 --> 01:09:22,500
that's something I I think I can feel

1520
01:09:30,169 --> 01:09:26,279
comfortable telling you but there's two

1521
01:09:33,769 --> 01:09:30,179
things that appear in this second part

1522
01:09:36,829 --> 01:09:33,779
that when we share it again we'll make

1523
01:09:38,450 --> 01:09:36,839
as much sense as the previous part but

1524
01:09:41,630 --> 01:09:38,460
it goes much further

1525
01:09:43,430 --> 01:09:41,640
okay so what's the first part uh about

1526
01:09:48,530 --> 01:09:43,440
that you have read

1527
01:09:48,540 --> 01:09:52,309
about the origin of man

1528
01:09:56,209 --> 01:09:53,870
how so

1529
01:09:57,189 --> 01:09:56,219
that's all you get no no no no no no no

1530
01:09:59,750 --> 01:09:57,199
no no

1531
01:10:02,450 --> 01:09:59,760
I can't do it I can't do it I'm Gonna

1532
01:10:04,310 --> 01:10:02,460
Save it we have to I want people to come

1533
01:10:05,930 --> 01:10:04,320
to this conference and they're going to

1534
01:10:09,290 --> 01:10:05,940
hear something that they've never heard

1535
01:10:12,110 --> 01:10:09,300
before and it's it's profound Jim and

1536
01:10:15,709 --> 01:10:12,120
when we get to the second part the first

1537
01:10:17,530 --> 01:10:15,719
part is reinforced but it goes further

1538
01:10:21,050 --> 01:10:17,540
and then

1539
01:10:25,430 --> 01:10:21,060
literally from the sky

1540
01:10:28,910 --> 01:10:25,440
we're gonna drop a bomb a big bomb

1541
01:10:31,010 --> 01:10:28,920
the book of the war in the Bible are you

1542
01:10:34,070 --> 01:10:31,020
saying that was in the Bible the book of

1543
01:10:37,850 --> 01:10:34,080
the wars of the Lord is about UFOs I

1544
01:10:41,530 --> 01:10:37,860
didn't say that so so the origins of man

1545
01:10:46,610 --> 01:10:44,330
time out hey don't make me call a

1546
01:10:47,770 --> 01:10:46,620
full-time out okay this is the 32nd

1547
01:10:50,330 --> 01:10:47,780
timeout

1548
01:10:53,149 --> 01:10:50,340
you know what I am not giving this stuff

1549
01:10:56,750 --> 01:10:53,159
away on this show tonight I'm saving it

1550
01:10:59,570 --> 01:10:56,760
for the conscious life Expo and you can

1551
01:11:02,810 --> 01:10:59,580
you can punch me out all you want Jim I

1552
01:11:05,689 --> 01:11:02,820
am standing that's cool so

1553
01:11:08,510 --> 01:11:05,699
um uh it was a good try though it was a

1554
01:11:10,370 --> 01:11:08,520
nice try hey everybody's thinking the

1555
01:11:12,470 --> 01:11:10,380
exact same thing that I am right now I'm

1556
01:11:16,430 --> 01:11:12,480
just I'm asking the questions for the

1557
01:11:21,590 --> 01:11:16,440
audience so what you're suggesting then

1558
01:11:22,790 --> 01:11:21,600
um God uh went to Moses in 1100 BC and

1559
01:11:26,750 --> 01:11:22,800
said

1560
01:11:28,430 --> 01:11:26,760
um uh aliens an extraterrestrial

1561
01:11:32,750 --> 01:11:28,440
civilization

1562
01:11:35,689 --> 01:11:32,760
um is what Homo sapiens are is what man

1563
01:11:38,030 --> 01:11:35,699
is and I need you to document all of

1564
01:11:42,410 --> 01:11:38,040
this and so this is what I need you to

1565
01:11:45,410 --> 01:11:42,420
write and and Moses did and that was put

1566
01:11:48,010 --> 01:11:45,420
in the original version of the Old

1567
01:11:50,870 --> 01:11:48,020
Testament but it was too controversial

1568
01:11:54,290 --> 01:11:50,880
and as the iterations of the New

1569
01:11:56,689 --> 01:11:54,300
Testament went through time The Book of

1570
01:12:00,470 --> 01:11:56,699
the wars and that's plural of the Lord

1571
01:12:06,229 --> 01:12:03,290
uh that I you know that that's that's

1572
01:12:09,350 --> 01:12:06,239
about as plausible an explanation as as

1573
01:12:12,050 --> 01:12:09,360
I I can imagine and so was it pulled out

1574
01:12:14,870 --> 01:12:12,060
absolutely but the other thing that we

1575
01:12:16,729 --> 01:12:14,880
are going to share when we get together

1576
01:12:19,550 --> 01:12:16,739
is

1577
01:12:20,510 --> 01:12:19,560
we know that the Templars had a copy of

1578
01:12:33,350 --> 01:12:20,520
it

1579
01:12:36,229 --> 01:12:33,360
documents

1580
01:12:37,790 --> 01:12:36,239
that was stored on Hunter Mountain in

1581
01:12:40,430 --> 01:12:37,800
the Catskills

1582
01:12:43,010 --> 01:12:40,440
when the subtly went over

1583
01:12:45,709 --> 01:12:43,020
and he earned the right

1584
01:12:48,110 --> 01:12:45,719
to take some of the Scrolls he didn't

1585
01:12:50,030 --> 01:12:48,120
wasn't allowed to take all of them he

1586
01:12:52,370 --> 01:12:50,040
took about half

1587
01:12:55,070 --> 01:12:52,380
one of the documents that he did take

1588
01:12:58,669 --> 01:12:55,080
was the marriage document between Jesus

1589
01:13:01,189 --> 01:12:58,679
and Mary Magdalene in fact he said in

1590
01:13:04,550 --> 01:13:01,199
his deposition that he gave in 1180 in

1591
01:13:06,290 --> 01:13:04,560
saborga Italy that the prize document

1592
01:13:08,870 --> 01:13:06,300
they got was the marriage document

1593
01:13:11,450 --> 01:13:08,880
between Jesus and Mary Magdalene but one

1594
01:13:13,790 --> 01:13:11,460
of the documents that he did not get

1595
01:13:16,910 --> 01:13:13,800
was the book of the wars of the Lord

1596
01:13:20,390 --> 01:13:16,920
amongst a bunch of other documents

1597
01:13:21,890 --> 01:13:20,400
in the mid 1600s

1598
01:13:24,169 --> 01:13:21,900
when

1599
01:13:27,110 --> 01:13:24,179
um settlers began to come into the area

1600
01:13:32,390 --> 01:13:27,120
of New Amsterdam is what they called it

1601
01:13:37,910 --> 01:13:35,689
the Guardians of the Temple

1602
01:13:39,530 --> 01:13:37,920
uh realized that they had to get that

1603
01:13:42,590 --> 01:13:39,540
stuff out of there

1604
01:13:44,390 --> 01:13:42,600
and so they took those documents and if

1605
01:13:47,090 --> 01:13:44,400
you read my book you'll read the letter

1606
01:13:50,330 --> 01:13:47,100
where they list the documents

1607
01:13:53,330 --> 01:13:50,340
and they talk about

1608
01:13:56,270 --> 01:13:53,340
taking these documents to Montreal

1609
01:13:58,669 --> 01:13:56,280
now in the other parts of the document

1610
01:13:59,990 --> 01:13:58,679
that we have not the book of the wars of

1611
01:14:02,090 --> 01:14:00,000
the Lord but the cremona document

1612
01:14:04,430 --> 01:14:02,100
material

1613
01:14:06,890 --> 01:14:04,440
we know the story about what one of

1614
01:14:08,169 --> 01:14:06,900
those caches that were left here by the

1615
01:14:10,490 --> 01:14:08,179
Templars

1616
01:14:12,530 --> 01:14:10,500
was used for

1617
01:14:13,850 --> 01:14:12,540
and it was used to build a church in

1618
01:14:15,530 --> 01:14:13,860
Montreal

1619
01:14:18,110 --> 01:14:15,540
and we believe that's where these

1620
01:14:21,290 --> 01:14:18,120
documents were taken and housed and

1621
01:14:25,729 --> 01:14:21,300
protected for a short period of time

1622
01:14:28,189 --> 01:14:25,739
now that information I think people can

1623
01:14:30,530 --> 01:14:28,199
glean from what we've published already

1624
01:14:32,810 --> 01:14:30,540
they didn't know about the money I just

1625
01:14:35,330 --> 01:14:32,820
told you one of the treasures was used

1626
01:14:37,010 --> 01:14:35,340
to finance to build this church there

1627
01:14:40,610 --> 01:14:37,020
were other things that were going on in

1628
01:14:43,790 --> 01:14:40,620
Montreal at the time in the early or mid

1629
01:14:46,970 --> 01:14:43,800
late 1600s but that's another story

1630
01:14:49,430 --> 01:14:46,980
but what I can tell you

1631
01:14:52,790 --> 01:14:49,440
is that when the people

1632
01:14:55,610 --> 01:14:52,800
left Hunter Mountain with the remaining

1633
01:14:57,530 --> 01:14:55,620
Scrolls including a copy of the book of

1634
01:14:59,630 --> 01:14:57,540
The Wars the Lord

1635
01:15:01,130 --> 01:14:59,640
we assumed that everything went to

1636
01:15:03,110 --> 01:15:01,140
Montreal

1637
01:15:04,310 --> 01:15:03,120
we now know that that's not what

1638
01:15:09,169 --> 01:15:04,320
happened

1639
01:15:14,810 --> 01:15:11,830
and they

1640
01:15:17,630 --> 01:15:14,820
hid I guess you could say

1641
01:15:18,590 --> 01:15:17,640
that copy of the book of the wars of the

1642
01:15:20,270 --> 01:15:18,600
Lord

1643
01:15:24,590 --> 01:15:20,280
in the late

1644
01:15:28,370 --> 01:15:26,510
and we know what happened to that book

1645
01:15:31,570 --> 01:15:28,380
and you're going to find out at the

1646
01:15:37,729 --> 01:15:31,580
conference and it's going to be uh

1647
01:15:40,070 --> 01:15:37,739
is it is there is that is that version

1648
01:15:43,370 --> 01:15:40,080
that copy of the book of the wars of the

1649
01:15:47,630 --> 01:15:43,380
Lord is it still is it complete and is

1650
01:15:51,770 --> 01:15:49,490
I think so

1651
01:15:54,290 --> 01:15:51,780
okay your

1652
01:15:57,169 --> 01:15:54,300
um this is this is very important

1653
01:16:00,950 --> 01:15:57,179
especially for me to understand

1654
01:16:03,050 --> 01:16:00,960
um because there isn't a copy of uh

1655
01:16:05,450 --> 01:16:03,060
apparently anywhere in existence

1656
01:16:07,430 --> 01:16:05,460
officially of the book of the wars of

1657
01:16:09,709 --> 01:16:07,440
the Lord

1658
01:16:11,510 --> 01:16:09,719
um and you've read two sections of the

1659
01:16:15,229 --> 01:16:11,520
book

1660
01:16:18,350 --> 01:16:15,239
um how do you know that what you have

1661
01:16:19,729 --> 01:16:18,360
read is legit there are a lot of people

1662
01:16:21,890 --> 01:16:19,739
out there on the net saying that they've

1663
01:16:25,250 --> 01:16:21,900
got a copy of it right and all of that

1664
01:16:27,649 --> 01:16:25,260
is BS yeah we know it's BS right right

1665
01:16:30,530 --> 01:16:27,659
well let's put it this way do I know

1666
01:16:33,890 --> 01:16:30,540
that what we have is legit

1667
01:16:36,530 --> 01:16:33,900
um I know I you know I can't say the

1668
01:16:38,930 --> 01:16:36,540
answer is no do I believe it to be legit

1669
01:16:40,550 --> 01:16:38,940
do I know in my heart that it's legit

1670
01:16:43,550 --> 01:16:40,560
absolutely

1671
01:16:47,750 --> 01:16:43,560
uh for more reasons than just that I

1672
01:16:50,470 --> 01:16:47,760
trust the material that we have that led

1673
01:16:53,330 --> 01:16:50,480
us to this okay

1674
01:16:55,130 --> 01:16:53,340
next question Scott

1675
01:16:57,890 --> 01:16:55,140
um in the first let's talk about these

1676
01:17:00,649 --> 01:16:57,900
two sections in the first section how

1677
01:17:03,410 --> 01:17:00,659
much text are you in possession of you

1678
01:17:05,270 --> 01:17:03,420
know now I I the way that it's written

1679
01:17:09,169 --> 01:17:05,280
in stuff that doesn't you know what's a

1680
01:17:11,810 --> 01:17:09,179
word count do you have 500 Words yeah

1681
01:17:14,030 --> 01:17:11,820
more than that probably

1682
01:17:16,970 --> 01:17:14,040
I'd say the first part is somewhere

1683
01:17:23,270 --> 01:17:20,689
700 to 1000 words holy crap okay that's

1684
01:17:26,689 --> 01:17:23,280
substantial it's pretty big well maybe

1685
01:17:28,729 --> 01:17:26,699
maybe maybe 500 but the second part is

1686
01:17:30,950 --> 01:17:28,739
probably a thousand words right right

1687
01:17:33,470 --> 01:17:30,960
but the words

1688
01:17:35,270 --> 01:17:33,480
are amazing I mean they're they're just

1689
01:17:43,850 --> 01:17:35,280
it's

1690
01:17:46,370 --> 01:17:43,860
final part of what we have

1691
01:17:48,830 --> 01:17:46,380
um the end of the story

1692
01:17:50,330 --> 01:17:48,840
of the Crim of the uh book of the wars

1693
01:17:51,470 --> 01:17:50,340
the Lord

1694
01:18:01,970 --> 01:17:51,480
um

1695
01:18:05,750 --> 01:18:01,980
is is is crazy it's absolutely crazy and

1696
01:18:08,510 --> 01:18:05,760
um well okay so it's it's to use a

1697
01:18:11,270 --> 01:18:08,520
phrase otherworldly it's just so crazy

1698
01:18:13,610 --> 01:18:11,280
yeah I know ETS from from the Old

1699
01:18:16,610 --> 01:18:13,620
Testament the

1700
01:18:19,090 --> 01:18:16,620
um uh well hey the Watchers

1701
01:18:23,450 --> 01:18:19,100
that was E.T I'm I'm

1702
01:18:27,590 --> 01:18:23,460
you know I I do I do the archangels what

1703
01:18:28,910 --> 01:18:27,600
are those E.T I mean you have to when

1704
01:18:37,610 --> 01:18:28,920
you

1705
01:18:40,430 --> 01:18:37,620
don't know everything well but but I

1706
01:18:42,890 --> 01:18:40,440
only interpret and because I interview

1707
01:18:45,530 --> 01:18:42,900
so much I you know I've you know

1708
01:18:48,470 --> 01:18:45,540
thousands of interviews sure and so I'm

1709
01:18:51,229 --> 01:18:48,480
constantly storing information on on

1710
01:18:55,970 --> 01:18:51,239
this primitive hard drive between my

1711
01:18:58,689 --> 01:18:55,980
ears and one of the things uh that when

1712
01:19:01,090 --> 01:18:58,699
when I hear

1713
01:19:04,250 --> 01:19:01,100
statements

1714
01:19:07,070 --> 01:19:04,260
and things that are extracted from the

1715
01:19:11,330 --> 01:19:07,080
Bible like the heavens

1716
01:19:14,870 --> 01:19:11,340
now the heavens aren't the clouds in the

1717
01:19:18,290 --> 01:19:14,880
sky that that's that's the universe

1718
01:19:20,330 --> 01:19:18,300
right that's it you know and and to you

1719
01:19:22,790 --> 01:19:20,340
know these kingdoms those are planets

1720
01:19:27,050 --> 01:19:22,800
those are other civilizations

1721
01:19:29,090 --> 01:19:27,060
um uh created in his likeness right all

1722
01:19:33,830 --> 01:19:29,100
of that and it's all the the information

1723
01:19:35,510 --> 01:19:33,840
comes from out there to this point how

1724
01:19:38,689 --> 01:19:35,520
else are you supposed to look at that

1725
01:19:42,290 --> 01:19:38,699
you know the messengers of God and and

1726
01:19:44,630 --> 01:19:42,300
the voice of God and the you hear all of

1727
01:19:46,130 --> 01:19:44,640
these you know and the Ascension and

1728
01:19:49,970 --> 01:19:46,140
dissension

1729
01:19:52,610 --> 01:19:49,980
um a spiritual realm uh and and no

1730
01:19:57,110 --> 01:19:52,620
that's not that's not what we're talking

1731
01:20:00,709 --> 01:19:57,120
about here and so I I see those are when

1732
01:20:04,189 --> 01:20:00,719
you the Nephilim right and and the

1733
01:20:07,010 --> 01:20:04,199
Watchers and you consider what the way

1734
01:20:10,070 --> 01:20:07,020
that it's written with uh with Noah and

1735
01:20:12,470 --> 01:20:10,080
the flood and and Noah's life and the

1736
01:20:14,209 --> 01:20:12,480
the the the life spans that were

1737
01:20:17,270 --> 01:20:14,219
involved back then

1738
01:20:20,630 --> 01:20:17,280
um if we take it literally it's all E.T

1739
01:20:25,550 --> 01:20:20,640
if we interpret it it's even more ET

1740
01:20:28,490 --> 01:20:25,560
yeah so that's that's just the way that

1741
01:20:32,630 --> 01:20:28,500
um I understand things and I think that

1742
01:20:35,450 --> 01:20:32,640
most do now today so I'm okay I am so

1743
01:20:38,209 --> 01:20:35,460
okay with that uh version of the Bible

1744
01:20:40,090 --> 01:20:38,219
LA Marzulli or interpretation of the

1745
01:20:43,669 --> 01:20:40,100
Bible

1746
01:20:48,050 --> 01:20:43,679
LA Marzulli who who is a Biblical

1747
01:20:51,470 --> 01:20:48,060
scholar of of an understanding of every

1748
01:20:55,070 --> 01:20:51,480
word right at a level that you and I

1749
01:20:57,290 --> 01:20:55,080
will never uh get to right but when he

1750
01:21:00,229 --> 01:20:57,300
says to me and he's a very spiritual guy

1751
01:21:03,110 --> 01:21:00,239
and I love him to death uh he's amazing

1752
01:21:05,209 --> 01:21:03,120
but when he goes too man you got to look

1753
01:21:09,350 --> 01:21:05,219
at the Bible like science fiction

1754
01:21:13,250 --> 01:21:09,360
that's it just look at it like that yeah

1755
01:21:16,310 --> 01:21:13,260
and he's a Biblical scholar and he's a

1756
01:21:20,090 --> 01:21:16,320
religious man he's righteous I love him

1757
01:21:21,010 --> 01:21:20,100
to death but so he understands that

1758
01:21:24,550 --> 01:21:21,020
there's

1759
01:21:27,890 --> 01:21:24,560
levels right fiction and science fiction

1760
01:21:29,750 --> 01:21:27,900
just read it with that set of eyes and

1761
01:21:32,510 --> 01:21:29,760
understand it from that point of view

1762
01:21:34,910 --> 01:21:32,520
and then it all makes sense and I agree

1763
01:21:39,290 --> 01:21:34,920
with L.A Marzulli on this point and many

1764
01:21:41,750 --> 01:21:39,300
other many others uh do too as well uh

1765
01:21:45,050 --> 01:21:41,760
very religious people you know that that

1766
01:21:49,030 --> 01:21:45,060
uh go to church and and and and do

1767
01:21:51,470 --> 01:21:49,040
religious or spiritual uh I'm talking

1768
01:21:53,570 --> 01:21:51,480
L.A Marzulli

1769
01:21:56,570 --> 01:21:53,580
who uh

1770
01:22:00,649 --> 01:21:56,580
um he's uh he's a funny guy he's a smart

1771
01:22:03,050 --> 01:22:00,659
guy but he's an intense guy because his

1772
01:22:05,689 --> 01:22:03,060
research into this you know you come

1773
01:22:08,030 --> 01:22:05,699
from One Direction you know with a pure

1774
01:22:10,910 --> 01:22:08,040
religious background and you're studying

1775
01:22:13,430 --> 01:22:10,920
the Bible and then you you study it

1776
01:22:15,770 --> 01:22:13,440
enough where you come to your

1777
01:22:19,010 --> 01:22:15,780
conclusions that you do on the back end

1778
01:22:22,189 --> 01:22:19,020
it doesn't change his belief system it

1779
01:22:25,189 --> 01:22:22,199
doesn't right whether it's it's

1780
01:22:27,290 --> 01:22:25,199
Christian or even Jewish you know I've

1781
01:22:29,990 --> 01:22:27,300
got rabbis that have been on this show

1782
01:22:33,410 --> 01:22:30,000
that are friends of mine that are full

1783
01:22:36,770 --> 01:22:33,420
ET full full full and that's the only

1784
01:22:38,810 --> 01:22:36,780
way that they uh uh understand what

1785
01:22:43,189 --> 01:22:38,820
they're reading now and they come sense

1786
01:22:47,149 --> 01:22:43,199
of it yeah yeah yeah so okay so why

1787
01:22:50,149 --> 01:22:47,159
um uh what is the Tie though is the book

1788
01:22:52,310 --> 01:22:50,159
of the wars of the Lord referenced in

1789
01:22:55,970 --> 01:22:52,320
the cremona document

1790
01:22:59,990 --> 01:22:55,980
oh yeah yeah there's the second part was

1791
01:23:03,890 --> 01:23:00,000
actually written out by the guy who did

1792
01:23:05,810 --> 01:23:03,900
the final report if you will in 1908 and

1793
01:23:08,870 --> 01:23:05,820
it's written in English and you can read

1794
01:23:10,490 --> 01:23:08,880
it right oh that you know let's go back

1795
01:23:12,290 --> 01:23:10,500
to the question that you asked a long

1796
01:23:14,689 --> 01:23:12,300
time ago why would the Vatican want to

1797
01:23:16,130 --> 01:23:14,699
buy this document well one of the things

1798
01:23:19,490 --> 01:23:16,140
that they got

1799
01:23:22,250 --> 01:23:19,500
was this page uh the the second part

1800
01:23:24,470 --> 01:23:22,260
that I'm talking about that has this

1801
01:23:27,050 --> 01:23:24,480
long handwritten

1802
01:23:30,350 --> 01:23:27,060
part of the book of the war is the Lord

1803
01:23:32,270 --> 01:23:30,360
that in itself they probably would have

1804
01:23:35,810 --> 01:23:32,280
paid the money that they peeled Jack's

1805
01:23:38,209 --> 01:23:35,820
uh paid Bill Jackson to get because of

1806
01:23:39,709 --> 01:23:38,219
the content and the implications of what

1807
01:23:41,810 --> 01:23:39,719
was in there

1808
01:23:44,209 --> 01:23:41,820
what I'm talking about is something that

1809
01:23:46,550 --> 01:23:44,219
the Roman Catholic Church absolutely did

1810
01:23:49,370 --> 01:23:46,560
not want to have anyone know about

1811
01:23:51,770 --> 01:23:49,380
because it would have undermined uh

1812
01:23:53,870 --> 01:23:51,780
their Central tenants

1813
01:23:56,090 --> 01:23:53,880
um and and you know you're inkling

1814
01:23:59,090 --> 01:23:56,100
around what what these things are but

1815
01:24:00,770 --> 01:23:59,100
that in itself uh and the reason that we

1816
01:24:03,830 --> 01:24:00,780
know about it is because Bill Jackson

1817
01:24:06,530 --> 01:24:03,840
took photographs of everything that he

1818
01:24:08,709 --> 01:24:06,540
sold to the Vatican so we have

1819
01:24:11,450 --> 01:24:08,719
everything

1820
01:24:14,030 --> 01:24:11,460
one of the things that he did though and

1821
01:24:17,090 --> 01:24:14,040
we didn't realize this until many years

1822
01:24:20,450 --> 01:24:17,100
after his death he died in 2000.

1823
01:24:22,189 --> 01:24:20,460
and what he never told anybody

1824
01:24:26,810 --> 01:24:22,199
was that

1825
01:24:29,890 --> 01:24:26,820
when he sold the document to the Vatican

1826
01:24:33,470 --> 01:24:29,900
he pulled out the most important parts

1827
01:24:36,890 --> 01:24:33,480
and it turns out he pulled out most of

1828
01:24:41,750 --> 01:24:36,900
it but he still sold them

1829
01:24:44,090 --> 01:24:41,760
a relevant part of it uh and then he

1830
01:24:45,890 --> 01:24:44,100
wrote it all out and we and he took

1831
01:24:48,229 --> 01:24:45,900
photographs of everything and we have

1832
01:24:50,209 --> 01:24:48,239
all that so anything that we don't have

1833
01:24:53,270 --> 01:24:50,219
the originals of that were copied in

1834
01:24:56,390 --> 01:24:53,280
1908 we've got photographs of so we have

1835
01:24:58,910 --> 01:24:56,400
everything the Vatican does not

1836
01:25:00,350 --> 01:24:58,920
and what he did with these parts that he

1837
01:25:03,530 --> 01:25:00,360
pulled out

1838
01:25:06,110 --> 01:25:03,540
he disseminated them with his colleagues

1839
01:25:09,169 --> 01:25:06,120
that worked for Spartan Enterprises

1840
01:25:09,950 --> 01:25:09,179
people that he had taken blood Oaths

1841
01:25:12,709 --> 01:25:09,960
with

1842
01:25:16,850 --> 01:25:12,719
because Don said they all took blood

1843
01:25:19,310 --> 01:25:16,860
Oaths when they joined this company

1844
01:25:20,689 --> 01:25:19,320
and every one of them that he gave parts

1845
01:25:23,209 --> 01:25:20,699
to

1846
01:25:27,169 --> 01:25:23,219
he gave them strict instructions that

1847
01:25:30,470 --> 01:25:27,179
upon their deaths that their estates had

1848
01:25:35,030 --> 01:25:30,480
to give this material to Don Rue

1849
01:25:37,970 --> 01:25:35,040
now over the past almost six years now

1850
01:25:41,810 --> 01:25:37,980
five people have died

1851
01:25:43,490 --> 01:25:41,820
and this material has come to Don and

1852
01:25:47,030 --> 01:25:43,500
he'll give me a call he'll say Scott

1853
01:25:49,430 --> 01:25:47,040
John Drake died John Lennon died Dan

1854
01:25:51,709 --> 01:25:49,440
Spartan died

1855
01:25:54,770 --> 01:25:51,719
Dave Ryan died

1856
01:25:57,709 --> 01:25:54,780
and I got a box I got an envelope and I

1857
01:25:59,689 --> 01:25:57,719
say don't open it leave it there I'm

1858
01:26:00,830 --> 01:25:59,699
jumping in the car we're gonna record

1859
01:26:02,810 --> 01:26:00,840
this

1860
01:26:06,649 --> 01:26:02,820
and we have

1861
01:26:10,070 --> 01:26:06,659
and each time the material is just

1862
01:26:11,570 --> 01:26:10,080
mind-blowing the problem is it's all

1863
01:26:14,590 --> 01:26:11,580
encrypted

1864
01:26:17,209 --> 01:26:14,600
the maps aren't we can read the maps

1865
01:26:20,090 --> 01:26:17,219
some of the material that we get is

1866
01:26:22,490 --> 01:26:20,100
written in French that's pretty easy to

1867
01:26:24,290 --> 01:26:22,500
uh to translate I always get two

1868
01:26:27,410 --> 01:26:24,300
different people whose first language is

1869
01:26:29,629 --> 01:26:27,420
French to translate them for us then we

1870
01:26:31,490 --> 01:26:29,639
put the two together and we get a good

1871
01:26:34,250 --> 01:26:31,500
semblance of the message

1872
01:26:36,169 --> 01:26:34,260
but the maps are amazing the maps are

1873
01:26:36,950 --> 01:26:36,179
ridiculous

1874
01:26:38,810 --> 01:26:36,960
um

1875
01:26:41,649 --> 01:26:38,820
one of the maps has the answer to the

1876
01:26:43,790 --> 01:26:41,659
Oak Island mystery it's just amazing

1877
01:26:45,290 --> 01:26:43,800
well don't give it to them because

1878
01:26:47,450 --> 01:26:45,300
they're not giving it to him are you

1879
01:26:49,669 --> 01:26:47,460
kidding me that they need to they need

1880
01:26:52,610 --> 01:26:49,679
to do 10 more seasons of advertising

1881
01:26:54,590 --> 01:26:52,620
sales you know well Hey listen good for

1882
01:26:55,310 --> 01:26:54,600
them you know

1883
01:26:57,070 --> 01:26:55,320
um

1884
01:26:59,570 --> 01:26:57,080
whatever

1885
01:27:02,930 --> 01:26:59,580
it's the United States of America man

1886
01:27:05,030 --> 01:27:02,940
and if you if you figure out a way to uh

1887
01:27:06,950 --> 01:27:05,040
to make that money good good on them

1888
01:27:10,250 --> 01:27:06,960
yeah you know

1889
01:27:12,169 --> 01:27:10,260
um I I here's the thing though you know

1890
01:27:14,390 --> 01:27:12,179
and and I think that the brothers have

1891
01:27:17,270 --> 01:27:14,400
they're hard in the right place and they

1892
01:27:20,750 --> 01:27:17,280
and and good on them all right that

1893
01:27:24,530 --> 01:27:20,760
being said but when the internet started

1894
01:27:28,490 --> 01:27:24,540
right and I've get in my first version

1895
01:27:32,990 --> 01:27:28,500
of an early search engine and and I'm I

1896
01:27:34,729 --> 01:27:33,000
I you know 1994 right yeah AOL was just

1897
01:27:37,790 --> 01:27:34,739
like starting this might have been

1898
01:27:40,570 --> 01:27:37,800
before AOL but right in that period I

1899
01:27:42,950 --> 01:27:40,580
find and at that time there were only

1900
01:27:44,870 --> 01:27:42,960
thousands of websites you know think

1901
01:27:47,030 --> 01:27:44,880
about that where we are today right yeah

1902
01:27:50,510 --> 01:27:47,040
yeah yeah brilliant websites and the

1903
01:27:52,490 --> 01:27:50,520
dark web and but um but back then there

1904
01:27:55,070 --> 01:27:52,500
were just you know you could have had a

1905
01:27:59,450 --> 01:27:55,080
yellow pages with all of the websites in

1906
01:28:02,390 --> 01:27:59,460
it right right so I find it it was one

1907
01:28:04,189 --> 01:28:02,400
of the first websites uh uh an Oak

1908
01:28:06,530 --> 01:28:04,199
Island website it was like two pages

1909
01:28:11,149 --> 01:28:06,540
that's it that's it really maybe three

1910
01:28:13,430 --> 01:28:11,159
and I'm like what is this and and then

1911
01:28:16,910 --> 01:28:13,440
um it was probably the same creators of

1912
01:28:19,490 --> 01:28:16,920
that did a Renee lay Chateau website oh

1913
01:28:20,450 --> 01:28:19,500
yeah so but I had never heard of Oak

1914
01:28:24,410 --> 01:28:20,460
Island

1915
01:28:26,570 --> 01:28:24,420
and so for me to jump in to the history

1916
01:28:28,070 --> 01:28:26,580
of Oak Island and certainly I think that

1917
01:28:31,729 --> 01:28:28,080
the information that was on that

1918
01:28:34,370 --> 01:28:31,739
original website is still one of the one

1919
01:28:36,410 --> 01:28:34,380
of the best because it was all the

1920
01:28:39,410 --> 01:28:36,420
information that was available on Oak

1921
01:28:43,010 --> 01:28:39,420
Island at that time that's it right and

1922
01:28:46,970 --> 01:28:43,020
now it it's crazy town but I was able to

1923
01:28:50,270 --> 01:28:46,980
go through uh the story and now this is

1924
01:28:52,850 --> 01:28:50,280
it's 30 years ago you know this is 2023.

1925
01:28:57,470 --> 01:28:52,860
yeah yeah so I've been interested in Oak

1926
01:28:58,850 --> 01:28:57,480
Island for that long yeah and uh and I I

1927
01:29:01,010 --> 01:28:58,860
don't know I think it's one of those

1928
01:29:04,070 --> 01:29:01,020
things you know when you have the the

1929
01:29:06,950 --> 01:29:04,080
flood chat you know the this and that it

1930
01:29:09,470 --> 01:29:06,960
would refill and and and and whatever uh

1931
01:29:14,090 --> 01:29:09,480
the traps right okay

1932
01:29:16,310 --> 01:29:14,100
I think that it's a it's something that

1933
01:29:19,910 --> 01:29:16,320
we don't want the answer to

1934
01:29:21,470 --> 01:29:19,920
right that I I did I just don't I don't

1935
01:29:25,970 --> 01:29:21,480
think we need it

1936
01:29:29,149 --> 01:29:25,980
don't know you know what Jim I

1937
01:29:33,290 --> 01:29:29,159
I yeah I have a lot of mix

1938
01:29:35,510 --> 01:29:33,300
hole thing do you think uh Scott do you

1939
01:29:37,729 --> 01:29:35,520
believe because at this point they

1940
01:29:41,209 --> 01:29:37,739
freaking have dug up the entire Island

1941
01:29:44,209 --> 01:29:41,219
right okay so and the Island's only this

1942
01:29:47,689 --> 01:29:44,219
big is it that big I thought it was like

1943
01:29:50,450 --> 01:29:47,699
that okay exactly so

1944
01:29:53,930 --> 01:29:50,460
um is there is there something to be

1945
01:29:56,270 --> 01:29:53,940
discovered yes or no on Oak Island or it

1946
01:29:58,610 --> 01:29:56,280
is you know is it done

1947
01:30:01,570 --> 01:29:58,620
I'm not talking about a coin or a nail

1948
01:30:06,290 --> 01:30:01,580
I'm talking about

1949
01:30:08,870 --> 01:30:06,300
Shakespeare's frigging plays uh uh the

1950
01:30:11,090 --> 01:30:08,880
the Ark of the Covenant you know what is

1951
01:30:16,610 --> 01:30:11,100
there something is there something on

1952
01:30:18,830 --> 01:30:16,620
Oak Island no exactly no for God's sakes

1953
01:30:20,629 --> 01:30:18,840
they've spent 10 years if they've proven

1954
01:30:23,030 --> 01:30:20,639
anything it's that

1955
01:30:24,770 --> 01:30:23,040
and the truth of the matter is Jim there

1956
01:30:27,470 --> 01:30:24,780
was something there and it was recovered

1957
01:30:31,250 --> 01:30:27,480
a long time ago

1958
01:30:33,530 --> 01:30:31,260
um and so it's just um it's a dry hole

1959
01:30:36,169 --> 01:30:33,540
there was something there I'll give him

1960
01:30:37,790 --> 01:30:36,179
that and uh but there were a lot of

1961
01:30:39,950 --> 01:30:37,800
people that lived on that island there

1962
01:30:42,110 --> 01:30:39,960
were a lot of people that went uh came

1963
01:30:43,910 --> 01:30:42,120
and went on Oak Island and a lot of

1964
01:30:46,490 --> 01:30:43,920
other places I mean if you excavated

1965
01:30:48,169 --> 01:30:46,500
other Islands up in Nova Scotia you'd

1966
01:30:49,550 --> 01:30:48,179
find the same [\h__\h] that they're finding

1967
01:30:51,649 --> 01:30:49,560
there

1968
01:30:54,590 --> 01:30:51,659
um and you know what it's I guess the

1969
01:30:56,390 --> 01:30:54,600
problem that I have is

1970
01:30:59,450 --> 01:30:56,400
um

1971
01:31:02,149 --> 01:30:59,460
it's so misleading the way they uh they

1972
01:31:06,110 --> 01:31:02,159
keep people interested and

1973
01:31:08,450 --> 01:31:06,120
um they ask questions without uh proper

1974
01:31:10,850 --> 01:31:08,460
context and all that and you know it's

1975
01:31:13,010 --> 01:31:10,860
just the antithesis of what we would do

1976
01:31:16,490 --> 01:31:13,020
on America on Earth I would never lie to

1977
01:31:18,530 --> 01:31:16,500
my audience like that or mislead them

1978
01:31:20,390 --> 01:31:18,540
um would we have uh you know a build up

1979
01:31:23,570 --> 01:31:20,400
going into an act out before a

1980
01:31:25,189 --> 01:31:23,580
commercial well of course we did but

1981
01:31:27,890 --> 01:31:25,199
um you know

1982
01:31:31,250 --> 01:31:27,900
um I I just um

1983
01:31:32,990 --> 01:31:31,260
I just know more than I I really want to

1984
01:31:35,209 --> 01:31:33,000
say and I I don't want to talk about Oak

1985
01:31:37,550 --> 01:31:35,219
Island all I can tell you is there was a

1986
01:31:40,669 --> 01:31:37,560
treasure there it's been recovered we're

1987
01:31:43,550 --> 01:31:40,679
happy for him keep making money and uh

1988
01:31:46,129 --> 01:31:43,560
you know God bless you you know the uh

1989
01:31:49,430 --> 01:31:46,139
the the one

1990
01:31:52,129 --> 01:31:49,440
the one thing from Oak Island the one

1991
01:31:53,689 --> 01:31:52,139
not the Ark of the Covenant the original

1992
01:31:58,729 --> 01:31:53,699
Stone

1993
01:32:01,310 --> 01:31:58,739
in the 90-foot stone yeah yeah the

1994
01:32:03,770 --> 01:32:01,320
90-foot stone I that's what I want to

1995
01:32:06,649 --> 01:32:03,780
see okay you know what Jimmy let me tell

1996
01:32:08,090 --> 01:32:06,659
you a story 15 years ago I went to Oak

1997
01:32:12,050 --> 01:32:08,100
Island

1998
01:32:13,970 --> 01:32:12,060
um and I spent two days there

1999
01:32:17,870 --> 01:32:13,980
um I spent a lot of time with Danny

2000
01:32:23,030 --> 01:32:20,629
it's his biggest bullshiter I ever met

2001
01:32:25,010 --> 01:32:23,040
in my life but he was a good guy and I

2002
01:32:27,770 --> 01:32:25,020
got along really well dude he was a cool

2003
01:32:30,050 --> 01:32:27,780
dude yeah yeah but he was you know he he

2004
01:32:31,970 --> 01:32:30,060
could Spin A Yarn let's put it yeah but

2005
01:32:33,770 --> 01:32:31,980
if you lived on that island if your

2006
01:32:36,709 --> 01:32:33,780
house was there you would be damn

2007
01:32:38,510 --> 01:32:36,719
Blankenship Hey listen I know I'm not

2008
01:32:41,450 --> 01:32:38,520
look I got along great with him I

2009
01:32:43,129 --> 01:32:41,460
thought he was a wonderful guy but the

2010
01:32:45,110 --> 01:32:43,139
reason I say that he was a bullshitter

2011
01:32:47,510 --> 01:32:45,120
is because the number one reason I went

2012
01:32:49,790 --> 01:32:47,520
there is I wanted to see the 90-foot

2013
01:32:52,010 --> 01:32:49,800
stone I want to see the carvings on

2014
01:32:55,010 --> 01:32:52,020
those I want to look at the weathering I

2015
01:32:58,310 --> 01:32:55,020
wanted to do what I felt I could do to

2016
01:33:01,010 --> 01:32:58,320
help get some information maybe help get

2017
01:33:03,530 --> 01:33:01,020
some answers and I spent two days with

2018
01:33:05,570 --> 01:33:03,540
him and you know what I concluded at the

2019
01:33:07,370 --> 01:33:05,580
end of those two days

2020
01:33:10,729 --> 01:33:07,380
man you're going to get me in so much

2021
01:33:12,770 --> 01:33:10,739
trouble this is Scott Walters opinion

2022
01:33:14,689 --> 01:33:12,780
I'm not telling you I'm not going to

2023
01:33:18,050 --> 01:33:14,699
tell you now the producers of the show

2024
01:33:21,350 --> 01:33:18,060
have okay chair I don't care anymore

2025
01:33:23,689 --> 01:33:21,360
yeah and Dan's no longer with us he's no

2026
01:33:26,689 --> 01:33:23,699
longer with us look he lived to be 95

2027
01:33:28,490 --> 01:33:26,699
the guy had a great life and you know

2028
01:33:31,729 --> 01:33:28,500
what I will give the brothers a lot of

2029
01:33:35,090 --> 01:33:31,739
credit they showcased him and uh they

2030
01:33:38,770 --> 01:33:35,100
lionized him and they made him you know

2031
01:33:40,990 --> 01:33:38,780
the patriarch of that and he was he was

2032
01:33:44,450 --> 01:33:41,000
all the credits for that

2033
01:33:47,030 --> 01:33:44,460
so two days with Dan what happened

2034
01:33:48,430 --> 01:33:47,040
did did I say something about no I'm

2035
01:33:51,890 --> 01:33:48,440
just kidding

2036
01:33:55,250 --> 01:33:51,900
you want to know what I concluded

2037
01:34:00,370 --> 01:33:55,260
there is no 90-foot stone

2038
01:34:03,590 --> 01:34:00,380
wasn't it on display uh on the main

2039
01:34:04,930 --> 01:34:03,600
oh was it

2040
01:34:06,830 --> 01:34:04,940
ah

2041
01:34:10,010 --> 01:34:06,840
[Applause]

2042
01:34:12,970 --> 01:34:10,020
but wasn't there photographs of it I

2043
01:34:20,750 --> 01:34:17,870
oh [\h__\h] I look at all this stuff Jim and

2044
01:34:23,930 --> 01:34:20,760
my conclusion is there is no 90-foot

2045
01:34:25,970 --> 01:34:23,940
stone there never was a 90-foot stone

2046
01:34:28,570 --> 01:34:25,980
wow

2047
01:34:32,629 --> 01:34:28,580
food

2048
01:34:34,910 --> 01:34:32,639
breaking news did they listen you know I

2049
01:34:36,830 --> 01:34:34,920
think a lot of people get confused you

2050
01:34:38,570 --> 01:34:36,840
know my whole life I want to buzz kill

2051
01:34:41,390 --> 01:34:38,580
something just for the sake of Buzz

2052
01:34:44,570 --> 01:34:41,400
killing you just know nobody wanted that

2053
01:34:47,090 --> 01:34:44,580
90-foot stone to be there more than me I

2054
01:34:49,370 --> 01:34:47,100
was Devin I wasn't devastated but I was

2055
01:34:52,430 --> 01:34:49,380
disappointed are you kidding me I am

2056
01:34:55,370 --> 01:34:52,440
crushed the last 30 years of my life the

2057
01:34:57,890 --> 01:34:55,380
fondest memory I have is the drawing of

2058
01:35:01,250 --> 01:34:57,900
the 90-foot stone on the first website

2059
01:35:03,890 --> 01:35:01,260
on the web and you're telling me I had

2060
01:35:06,530 --> 01:35:03,900
dreams about that Jim if there was a

2061
01:35:10,189 --> 01:35:06,540
90-foot stone after 10 years of this

2062
01:35:12,050 --> 01:35:10,199
show and 200 plus years of this mystery

2063
01:35:15,890 --> 01:35:12,060
you don't think by now it would have

2064
01:35:18,350 --> 01:35:15,900
shown up who's ever got it could sell it

2065
01:35:20,750 --> 01:35:18,360
for a fortune yeah or they could bring

2066
01:35:23,870 --> 01:35:20,760
it forth and they could I mean give me a

2067
01:35:26,390 --> 01:35:23,880
break if the stone existed we'd see it

2068
01:35:29,030 --> 01:35:26,400
it doesn't exist and based on what Danny

2069
01:35:31,310 --> 01:35:29,040
told me because I asked him circular

2070
01:35:33,050 --> 01:35:31,320
questions right you know that deal where

2071
01:35:35,870 --> 01:35:33,060
you asked the same question a different

2072
01:35:39,830 --> 01:35:35,880
way to see if you get the same answer I

2073
01:35:44,870 --> 01:35:42,770
I'm just saying so I love the guy I just

2074
01:35:47,270 --> 01:35:44,880
want to make sure you understand I had a

2075
01:35:50,689 --> 01:35:47,280
great time with him he treated me well I

2076
01:35:52,689 --> 01:35:50,699
liked him a lot but he was making it up

2077
01:35:56,629 --> 01:35:52,699
when it came to the 90-foot stone

2078
01:35:58,850 --> 01:35:56,639
what uh what treasure was uh discovered

2079
01:36:00,350 --> 01:35:58,860
there and removed from the island now

2080
01:36:01,850 --> 01:36:00,360
that I can't tell you

2081
01:36:03,410 --> 01:36:01,860
why

2082
01:36:06,110 --> 01:36:03,420
I just can't

2083
01:36:08,450 --> 01:36:06,120
and I love you like a brother you know I

2084
01:36:10,550 --> 01:36:08,460
do but I can't tell you that one

2085
01:36:12,430 --> 01:36:10,560
do I need to get on the phone to Timothy

2086
01:36:15,229 --> 01:36:12,440
do I need to call him

2087
01:36:17,689 --> 01:36:15,239
Tim's not going to tell you either Tim

2088
01:36:20,229 --> 01:36:17,699
is right here my cell phone is right do

2089
01:36:23,270 --> 01:36:20,239
I need to get go ahead and call him up

2090
01:36:25,070 --> 01:36:23,280
he'll start laughing and you'll say and

2091
01:36:27,110 --> 01:36:25,080
you start rattling things off like the

2092
01:36:29,090 --> 01:36:27,120
Ark of the Covenant and I guarantee you

2093
01:36:32,270 --> 01:36:29,100
I know what he's gonna say he'll say

2094
01:36:34,129 --> 01:36:32,280
this you ready write this down Jim this

2095
01:36:38,870 --> 01:36:34,139
is what he's gonna say

2096
01:36:41,830 --> 01:36:38,880
you ready I'm writing quote I can

2097
01:36:44,810 --> 01:36:41,840
neither confirm nor deny

2098
01:36:47,090 --> 01:36:44,820
oh man you know

2099
01:36:48,350 --> 01:36:47,100
um uh speaking of that and and Timothy

2100
01:36:50,090 --> 01:36:48,360
if you're listening right now you know

2101
01:36:52,550 --> 01:36:50,100
how much we love you and and you

2102
01:36:54,290 --> 01:36:52,560
absolutely one of the smartest people on

2103
01:36:56,450 --> 01:36:54,300
this planet

2104
01:36:59,330 --> 01:36:56,460
um Grandmaster of the Knights Templar uh

2105
01:37:01,970 --> 01:36:59,340
worldwide and you know he gave me he

2106
01:37:04,550 --> 01:37:01,980
gave me something you never gave me oh

2107
01:37:05,390 --> 01:37:04,560
really yeah he gave me a Knights Templar

2108
01:37:08,410 --> 01:37:05,400
pin

2109
01:37:10,910 --> 01:37:08,420
and and said you get the ring from Scott

2110
01:37:13,790 --> 01:37:10,920
and I was like I've been waiting for the

2111
01:37:16,250 --> 01:37:13,800
ring from Scott listen you gotta Hey

2112
01:37:18,410 --> 01:37:16,260
listen you're not getting [\h__\h] to you

2113
01:37:21,590 --> 01:37:18,420
walk through the door okay until you're

2114
01:37:23,990 --> 01:37:21,600
ready to receive right fair enough by

2115
01:37:26,810 --> 01:37:24,000
the way you got you got a pin from him I

2116
01:37:31,270 --> 01:37:26,820
did what Tim gave me what he gave me a

2117
01:37:35,930 --> 01:37:31,280
sword oh man and it's badass dude

2118
01:37:39,229 --> 01:37:35,940
so one of the things that uh Tim uh uh

2119
01:37:41,750 --> 01:37:39,239
and I discussed uh at length

2120
01:37:44,149 --> 01:37:41,760
um not only on into the Vortex my show

2121
01:37:47,510 --> 01:37:44,159
over on Gaia but here on Fade to Black

2122
01:37:50,270 --> 01:37:47,520
and you know those fabulous uh Timothy

2123
01:37:54,530 --> 01:37:50,280
Hogan phone calls that you can have

2124
01:37:57,709 --> 01:37:54,540
um is that there are enough there wasn't

2125
01:38:01,030 --> 01:37:57,719
a singular Ark of the Covenant that

2126
01:38:06,350 --> 01:38:01,040
there were multiple Arts of the Covenant

2127
01:38:09,410 --> 01:38:06,360
and he has been in the presence of of he

2128
01:38:12,590 --> 01:38:09,420
hasn't disclosed with me how many but a

2129
01:38:13,850 --> 01:38:12,600
number of these arcs and he has seen

2130
01:38:21,169 --> 01:38:13,860
them

2131
01:38:22,850 --> 01:38:21,179
North America yeah I have

2132
01:38:25,370 --> 01:38:22,860
um have you

2133
01:38:28,850 --> 01:38:25,380
had the privilege to be in the presence

2134
01:38:32,870 --> 01:38:28,860
of one of the arks I have not I have not

2135
01:38:34,610 --> 01:38:32,880
I am hoping that that will happen soon

2136
01:38:36,290 --> 01:38:34,620
you know that's a pretty

2137
01:38:39,590 --> 01:38:36,300
um that's a pretty profound statement

2138
01:38:42,830 --> 01:38:39,600
you know from Tim and uh I think his

2139
01:38:45,050 --> 01:38:42,840
evidence is is is is is very solid you

2140
01:38:46,790 --> 01:38:45,060
know and I've looked through it

2141
01:38:49,010 --> 01:38:46,800
um but that's a profound statement that

2142
01:38:51,470 --> 01:38:49,020
I mean that's one where you don't need

2143
01:38:53,090 --> 01:38:51,480
to be a skeptic or a debunker uh when

2144
01:38:55,790 --> 01:38:53,100
you hear something like that to just go

2145
01:38:57,950 --> 01:38:55,800
oh come on man I saw Indiana Jones I

2146
01:38:59,870 --> 01:38:57,960
know what this is all about

2147
01:39:02,930 --> 01:38:59,880
um that's a pretty profound statement

2148
01:39:04,669 --> 01:39:02,940
isn't it yeah it is and you know a lot

2149
01:39:07,129 --> 01:39:04,679
of people ask me about the Ark of the

2150
01:39:09,770 --> 01:39:07,139
Covenant and I just tell people you know

2151
01:39:14,030 --> 01:39:09,780
the secret of the Ark isn't where it is

2152
01:39:17,209 --> 01:39:14,040
it's how to make one uh because there is

2153
01:39:19,729 --> 01:39:17,219
there isn't just one Arc

2154
01:39:24,050 --> 01:39:19,739
um and that gets into you know what is

2155
01:39:25,370 --> 01:39:24,060
the ark what was its purpose and

2156
01:39:26,870 --> 01:39:25,380
um

2157
01:39:29,629 --> 01:39:26,880
one of the things that's interesting

2158
01:39:32,570 --> 01:39:29,639
about the corona document is one of the

2159
01:39:36,290 --> 01:39:32,580
pages that was sold to the Vatican but

2160
01:39:39,290 --> 01:39:36,300
we have a beautiful photographs of is

2161
01:39:41,510 --> 01:39:39,300
the instructions on how to make it now

2162
01:39:45,890 --> 01:39:41,520
one of the problems with the document

2163
01:39:48,530 --> 01:39:45,900
that Jackson sold to the Vatican is

2164
01:39:50,510 --> 01:39:48,540
virtually the entire document that he

2165
01:39:53,810 --> 01:39:50,520
sold to them not the entire thing but

2166
01:39:57,410 --> 01:39:53,820
just about all of it was encrypted in

2167
01:39:59,390 --> 01:39:57,420
thebin which is a uh an alphabet that

2168
01:40:02,629 --> 01:39:59,400
the Templars used it's a one-to-one

2169
01:40:04,610 --> 01:40:02,639
letter substitution but to be able to

2170
01:40:07,790 --> 01:40:04,620
get the letters to line up

2171
01:40:09,830 --> 01:40:07,800
you need a cipher phrase that puts

2172
01:40:11,510 --> 01:40:09,840
everything in the correct order so then

2173
01:40:13,850 --> 01:40:11,520
when you do your letter substitution

2174
01:40:16,669 --> 01:40:13,860
you're using the correct letters to get

2175
01:40:19,910 --> 01:40:16,679
an intelligible message

2176
01:40:22,430 --> 01:40:19,920
what we realized in 2017

2177
01:40:24,490 --> 01:40:22,440
that Bill Jackson had done

2178
01:40:28,010 --> 01:40:24,500
is he

2179
01:40:29,689 --> 01:40:28,020
crafted a narrative in in the documents

2180
01:40:31,550 --> 01:40:29,699
that he gave to them in his his

2181
01:40:35,689 --> 01:40:31,560
handwritten notes

2182
01:40:41,750 --> 01:40:38,689
well page one was missing because he

2183
01:40:44,390 --> 01:40:41,760
pulled it out and the reason that's

2184
01:40:47,270 --> 01:40:44,400
important page one is because at the top

2185
01:40:51,110 --> 01:40:47,280
is the cipher phrase that you need to

2186
01:40:55,189 --> 01:40:51,120
decode the uh to decode the document

2187
01:40:57,830 --> 01:40:55,199
on the back of page one is a map to

2188
01:41:00,169 --> 01:40:57,840
where the Templars got in under the

2189
01:41:02,689 --> 01:41:00,179
South wall and the route they took to

2190
01:41:04,550 --> 01:41:02,699
this secret chamber theoretically we

2191
01:41:06,410 --> 01:41:04,560
could go back in there

2192
01:41:09,770 --> 01:41:06,420
he wasn't going to give that to the

2193
01:41:11,390 --> 01:41:09,780
Vatican and I remember when I first saw

2194
01:41:14,510 --> 01:41:11,400
that document

2195
01:41:17,330 --> 01:41:14,520
he had given it to his daughter Melissa

2196
01:41:20,450 --> 01:41:17,340
and he said hold on to this if anything

2197
01:41:23,209 --> 01:41:20,460
happens to me it needs to go to Don root

2198
01:41:24,530 --> 01:41:23,219
now his daughter forgot about it and

2199
01:41:28,310 --> 01:41:24,540
never gave it to him when her husband

2200
01:41:30,709 --> 01:41:28,320
her dad died in 2000 but when she moved

2201
01:41:33,830 --> 01:41:30,719
from the country where she was living in

2202
01:41:37,250 --> 01:41:33,840
2017 to be closer to her brother who had

2203
01:41:40,189 --> 01:41:37,260
just had a child later in life

2204
01:41:43,250 --> 01:41:40,199
she when she was packing she found this

2205
01:41:45,470 --> 01:41:43,260
material and she sent it to Don

2206
01:41:48,229 --> 01:41:45,480
and it's interesting because she also

2207
01:41:50,930 --> 01:41:48,239
sent the note that her dad wrote that

2208
01:41:55,370 --> 01:41:50,940
gave us some insight into his his

2209
01:41:56,930 --> 01:41:55,380
mindset of why he did what he did but it

2210
01:42:00,410 --> 01:41:56,940
was interesting we got another letter

2211
01:42:03,109 --> 01:42:00,420
about three years ago from Jackson with

2212
01:42:06,169 --> 01:42:03,119
other material other documents where he

2213
01:42:07,729 --> 01:42:06,179
says exactly why he left this material

2214
01:42:10,430 --> 01:42:07,739
to Don

2215
01:42:12,290 --> 01:42:10,440
he said Don was my best friend

2216
01:42:15,770 --> 01:42:12,300
he was the only one that took my

2217
01:42:17,450 --> 01:42:15,780
research seriously hiked with him you

2218
01:42:21,070 --> 01:42:17,460
know in in the mountains of the

2219
01:42:24,109 --> 01:42:21,080
Catskills went up to Newfoundland diving

2220
01:42:27,169 --> 01:42:24,119
uh in the ocean and helped him find that

2221
01:42:29,090 --> 01:42:27,179
ship and he said he is the youngest of

2222
01:42:31,669 --> 01:42:29,100
the Spartan personnel

2223
01:42:34,370 --> 01:42:31,679
uh that will probably outlive us and

2224
01:42:36,709 --> 01:42:34,380
that is exactly what's happened and now

2225
01:42:39,530 --> 01:42:36,719
he's 80 years old and he's the last man

2226
01:42:43,490 --> 01:42:39,540
standing and I feel honored and

2227
01:42:47,689 --> 01:42:43,500
privileged to be able to work with him

2228
01:42:48,950 --> 01:42:47,699
on this incredible mystery that

2229
01:42:52,490 --> 01:42:48,960
um

2230
01:42:54,229 --> 01:42:52,500
we're pretty close to I think the bottom

2231
01:42:56,149 --> 01:42:54,239
of the well we think we're going to be

2232
01:42:58,970 --> 01:42:56,159
getting a few more pieces of information

2233
01:43:03,229 --> 01:42:58,980
probably in March but that's probably

2234
01:43:04,790 --> 01:43:03,239
going to be it but we now have a very

2235
01:43:07,729 --> 01:43:04,800
clear picture

2236
01:43:11,149 --> 01:43:07,739
of the templar's activities both in

2237
01:43:14,390 --> 01:43:11,159
Europe in the North Atlantic and over

2238
01:43:16,310 --> 01:43:14,400
here in North America and what exactly

2239
01:43:16,910 --> 01:43:16,320
they did

2240
01:43:19,510 --> 01:43:16,920
um

2241
01:43:22,669 --> 01:43:19,520
you know what it impacted historically

2242
01:43:24,950 --> 01:43:22,679
besides the Oak Island mystery there's a

2243
01:43:27,290 --> 01:43:24,960
lot of other stories that people uh

2244
01:43:29,810 --> 01:43:27,300
might be aware of that are affected by

2245
01:43:31,669 --> 01:43:29,820
this story they don't even realize and

2246
01:43:34,790 --> 01:43:31,679
it comes full circle all the way up to

2247
01:43:39,109 --> 01:43:34,800
this day and you said it yourself

2248
01:43:41,330 --> 01:43:39,119
uh Tim Hogan is the Grand Master of um

2249
01:43:44,390 --> 01:43:41,340
the Knights Templar order today the true

2250
01:43:48,350 --> 01:43:44,400
tradition that started with past Grand

2251
01:43:50,870 --> 01:43:48,360
Masters like Leonardo da Vinci

2252
01:43:52,490 --> 01:43:50,880
um and Tim has looked at all this

2253
01:43:54,830 --> 01:43:52,500
material he hasn't seen it all yet he's

2254
01:43:56,930 --> 01:43:54,840
seen most of it and

2255
01:44:00,169 --> 01:43:56,940
um it's consistent with the records that

2256
01:44:02,870 --> 01:44:00,179
he has so we know the story and we're

2257
01:44:04,970 --> 01:44:02,880
going to tell a big chunk of it at the

2258
01:44:07,129 --> 01:44:04,980
conference and we're going to share some

2259
01:44:10,609 --> 01:44:07,139
of these encrypted documents we're going

2260
01:44:12,950 --> 01:44:10,619
to teach people how to decode them and

2261
01:44:15,470 --> 01:44:12,960
you're going to see

2262
01:44:17,930 --> 01:44:15,480
um the lengths that the Templars and the

2263
01:44:20,930 --> 01:44:17,940
tradition the ideological descendants

2264
01:44:22,850 --> 01:44:20,940
that were Freemasons right one of the

2265
01:44:24,890 --> 01:44:22,860
questions that's definitively answered

2266
01:44:27,350 --> 01:44:24,900
with these documents and other research

2267
01:44:28,370 --> 01:44:27,360
we've done is there's absolutely no

2268
01:44:31,310 --> 01:44:28,380
question

2269
01:44:34,490 --> 01:44:31,320
that modern free masonry evolved

2270
01:44:37,250 --> 01:44:34,500
directly from medieval templarism no

2271
01:44:40,910 --> 01:44:37,260
question about it and it goes back to

2272
01:44:44,510 --> 01:44:40,920
the first century essenes Jesus Mary

2273
01:44:46,550 --> 01:44:44,520
Magdalene John the Baptist and all the

2274
01:44:50,810 --> 01:44:46,560
way back to Egypt and Beyond

2275
01:44:53,689 --> 01:44:50,820
and does it connect with um the

2276
01:44:58,010 --> 01:44:53,699
interstellar beings

2277
01:45:01,550 --> 01:44:58,020
yeah it does well one of the things

2278
01:45:05,090 --> 01:45:01,560
um that uh I have discussed with you

2279
01:45:09,169 --> 01:45:05,100
over the years uh relentlessly and I've

2280
01:45:14,209 --> 01:45:09,179
also spoken to Tim about this uh

2281
01:45:17,510 --> 01:45:14,219
directly which is there is going to be a

2282
01:45:20,810 --> 01:45:17,520
point in time with all of this

2283
01:45:24,830 --> 01:45:20,820
um an excuse for my choice of words here

2284
01:45:29,330 --> 01:45:24,840
to put up or shut up yeah where uh

2285
01:45:32,390 --> 01:45:29,340
that's it that's it the we're at the end

2286
01:45:35,750 --> 01:45:32,400
of the Opera here show us what you've

2287
01:45:39,109 --> 01:45:35,760
got if there are multiple arcs of the

2288
01:45:41,090 --> 01:45:39,119
Covenant uh uh on this planet and and

2289
01:45:44,209 --> 01:45:41,100
some are here in North America where are

2290
01:45:48,709 --> 01:45:44,219
they bring them out let's do it show us

2291
01:45:50,750 --> 01:45:48,719
yeah we're at that point so uh I I think

2292
01:45:52,850 --> 01:45:50,760
that we're all ready for this Scott when

2293
01:45:54,530 --> 01:45:52,860
is this going to happen

2294
01:45:55,609 --> 01:45:54,540
well you're going to have to ask Tim

2295
01:45:57,649 --> 01:45:55,619
because

2296
01:45:58,970 --> 01:45:57,659
um you know he holds the keys if you

2297
01:46:02,109 --> 01:45:58,980
will

2298
01:46:04,790 --> 01:46:02,119
um he and I have talked about it and

2299
01:46:07,970 --> 01:46:04,800
what about you when your maps and the

2300
01:46:11,330 --> 01:46:07,980
fists and the and the location of a lake

2301
01:46:13,609 --> 01:46:11,340
on the east coast and the the tomb on

2302
01:46:16,070 --> 01:46:13,619
the top of Hunter Mountain what what's

2303
01:46:18,649 --> 01:46:16,080
in Montana what's in uh South Dakota

2304
01:46:21,229 --> 01:46:18,659
well there's going to be there's going

2305
01:46:23,629 --> 01:46:21,239
to be a release of I mean Don and I have

2306
01:46:26,270 --> 01:46:23,639
pretty much finished our book in fact I

2307
01:46:28,129 --> 01:46:26,280
talked to Don this afternoon I had sent

2308
01:46:31,669 --> 01:46:28,139
him the latest chapter of this new

2309
01:46:34,970 --> 01:46:31,679
material we had just got and he loved it

2310
01:46:36,709 --> 01:46:34,980
he said okay so we're pretty much at

2311
01:46:38,050 --> 01:46:36,719
that point we're talking to a couple of

2312
01:46:41,570 --> 01:46:38,060
different publishers

2313
01:46:43,609 --> 01:46:41,580
and it's going to come out now what's

2314
01:46:47,209 --> 01:46:43,619
not going to come out is information

2315
01:46:49,870 --> 01:46:47,219
about the location of where we think

2316
01:46:52,070 --> 01:46:49,880
there might still be something to find

2317
01:46:54,290 --> 01:46:52,080
we're going to do that we're not going

2318
01:46:56,149 --> 01:46:54,300
to let anybody else do that we're not

2319
01:46:58,729 --> 01:46:56,159
going to give away the location of where

2320
01:46:59,570 --> 01:46:58,739
the Shipwreck is what Still Remains

2321
01:47:02,209 --> 01:46:59,580
there

2322
01:47:04,550 --> 01:47:02,219
um we're not going to give away

2323
01:47:07,970 --> 01:47:04,560
um locations of where we think there

2324
01:47:10,790 --> 01:47:07,980
might still be some Treasures left uh

2325
01:47:12,950 --> 01:47:10,800
both in the water and out so that

2326
01:47:14,990 --> 01:47:12,960
material will not be released but I can

2327
01:47:17,090 --> 01:47:15,000
tell you that what we are going to

2328
01:47:21,530 --> 01:47:17,100
release is going to be absolutely

2329
01:47:25,070 --> 01:47:21,540
mind-blowing and the story is absolutely

2330
01:47:27,890 --> 01:47:25,080
consistent it's cohesive

2331
01:47:30,189 --> 01:47:27,900
and in my mind conclusive and it

2332
01:47:33,189 --> 01:47:30,199
completely rewrites the whole history

2333
01:47:36,290 --> 01:47:33,199
historical hysterical

2334
01:47:39,290 --> 01:47:36,300
historical Narrative of the founding of

2335
01:47:43,310 --> 01:47:39,300
this country and frankly right now

2336
01:47:45,050 --> 01:47:43,320
that story needs to be retold because we

2337
01:47:47,330 --> 01:47:45,060
have people that think certain things

2338
01:47:49,790 --> 01:47:47,340
happened that didn't happen

2339
01:47:51,709 --> 01:47:49,800
they're interpreting certain things in

2340
01:47:54,350 --> 01:47:51,719
our Constitution that they aren't

2341
01:47:57,890 --> 01:47:54,360
interpreting correctly and you hear a

2342
01:48:00,350 --> 01:47:57,900
lot of people and politicians uh talking

2343
01:48:02,270 --> 01:48:00,360
about what our founding fathers believed

2344
01:48:04,609 --> 01:48:02,280
and frankly they don't know what they're

2345
01:48:06,950 --> 01:48:04,619
talking about

2346
01:48:11,330 --> 01:48:06,960
um make no mistake

2347
01:48:13,430 --> 01:48:11,340
that the tenants of our Constitution and

2348
01:48:15,649 --> 01:48:13,440
the principles upon which this nation

2349
01:48:18,109 --> 01:48:15,659
would was founded

2350
01:48:19,609 --> 01:48:18,119
were based on the the principles of

2351
01:48:24,350 --> 01:48:19,619
Freemasonry

2352
01:48:25,570 --> 01:48:24,360
templarism there is that is not a

2353
01:48:29,149 --> 01:48:25,580
coincidence

2354
01:48:31,250 --> 01:48:29,159
this is a direct correlation

2355
01:48:33,470 --> 01:48:31,260
and the problem is there are too many

2356
01:48:35,270 --> 01:48:33,480
people in this country

2357
01:48:37,729 --> 01:48:35,280
that have been

2358
01:48:41,270 --> 01:48:37,739
um brainwashed into thinking that

2359
01:48:44,870 --> 01:48:41,280
Freemasonry and templarism

2360
01:48:49,490 --> 01:48:44,880
um cannot coexist with organized

2361
01:48:52,250 --> 01:48:49,500
religion specifically Roman Catholicism

2362
01:48:56,149 --> 01:48:52,260
um and that's absolutely not true it's

2363
01:48:58,910 --> 01:48:56,159
not true at all but make no mistake the

2364
01:49:01,609 --> 01:48:58,920
reason this country was founded

2365
01:49:04,070 --> 01:49:01,619
part of the reason goes back to what

2366
01:49:06,410 --> 01:49:04,080
happened to the Templars back in the

2367
01:49:08,450 --> 01:49:06,420
early 14th century right

2368
01:49:11,629 --> 01:49:08,460
the put down

2369
01:49:14,930 --> 01:49:11,639
and who put them down

2370
01:49:17,090 --> 01:49:14,940
the king of France a monarchy and the

2371
01:49:20,750 --> 01:49:17,100
Roman Catholic Church

2372
01:49:22,970 --> 01:49:20,760
that combined and legitimized each other

2373
01:49:26,270 --> 01:49:22,980
and elevated themselves these

2374
01:49:27,649 --> 01:49:26,280
institutions above the people

2375
01:49:31,250 --> 01:49:27,659
and so

2376
01:49:33,229 --> 01:49:31,260
the persecution of that group

2377
01:49:36,290 --> 01:49:33,239
was not destroyed they were not

2378
01:49:39,070 --> 01:49:36,300
destroyed they simply went underground

2379
01:49:41,390 --> 01:49:39,080
and they had a plan that they crafted

2380
01:49:43,729 --> 01:49:41,400
centuries before

2381
01:49:46,970 --> 01:49:43,739
and that was to establish

2382
01:49:49,370 --> 01:49:46,980
a new place a sanctuary

2383
01:49:52,609 --> 01:49:49,380
they called it the New Jerusalem they

2384
01:49:53,570 --> 01:49:52,619
called it a free Templar state

2385
01:49:56,090 --> 01:49:53,580
um

2386
01:49:59,209 --> 01:49:56,100
Francis Bacon called it the new Atlantis

2387
01:50:01,010 --> 01:49:59,219
we're all talking about the same thing

2388
01:50:04,250 --> 01:50:01,020
they're talking about a place where

2389
01:50:06,470 --> 01:50:04,260
people could live free from the tyranny

2390
01:50:09,109 --> 01:50:06,480
of the monarchs of Europe we fought a

2391
01:50:13,490 --> 01:50:09,119
revolution against what a monarchy for

2392
01:50:16,609 --> 01:50:13,500
God's sakes right people forget that

2393
01:50:18,709 --> 01:50:16,619
and a place where people could practice

2394
01:50:22,550 --> 01:50:18,719
whatever religion they wanted right

2395
01:50:24,350 --> 01:50:22,560
because they learned what happened when

2396
01:50:26,810 --> 01:50:24,360
the church gets too strong and they

2397
01:50:29,510 --> 01:50:26,820
persecute the people right

2398
01:50:32,270 --> 01:50:29,520
and I'll tell you what it's very simple

2399
01:50:35,570 --> 01:50:32,280
why the church doesn't like Freemasonry

2400
01:50:38,930 --> 01:50:35,580
and why they didn't like the Templars

2401
01:50:42,169 --> 01:50:38,940
because they understood

2402
01:50:43,430 --> 01:50:42,179
this simple thing that is the big

2403
01:50:46,070 --> 01:50:43,440
problem

2404
01:50:47,750 --> 01:50:46,080
and that is

2405
01:50:50,209 --> 01:50:47,760
that anybody

2406
01:50:52,609 --> 01:50:50,219
on this planet

2407
01:50:54,350 --> 01:50:52,619
can have a relationship

2408
01:50:59,090 --> 01:50:54,360
with deity

2409
01:51:02,030 --> 01:50:59,100
God Yahweh the goddess whatever that

2410
01:51:04,010 --> 01:51:02,040
thing is up in the sky right it's all

2411
01:51:08,149 --> 01:51:04,020
around whatever God is

2412
01:51:13,790 --> 01:51:10,729
our founding fathers said you can

2413
01:51:16,729 --> 01:51:13,800
believe in anything you want and you can

2414
01:51:19,910 --> 01:51:16,739
have that relationship one to one just

2415
01:51:21,910 --> 01:51:19,920
you and your God and frankly it's nobody

2416
01:51:25,790 --> 01:51:21,920
else's business

2417
01:51:28,370 --> 01:51:25,800
who that thing is and what you call it

2418
01:51:31,129 --> 01:51:28,380
and how you venerate it

2419
01:51:33,590 --> 01:51:31,139
the problem is the church requires you

2420
01:51:34,910 --> 01:51:33,600
to go through a human conduit to get to

2421
01:51:36,770 --> 01:51:34,920
creator

2422
01:51:39,649 --> 01:51:36,780
and when you take away that human

2423
01:51:42,890 --> 01:51:39,659
conduit you literally take them out of

2424
01:51:45,649 --> 01:51:42,900
business you put them out of business

2425
01:51:47,510 --> 01:51:45,659
and that's why they hate us

2426
01:51:49,729 --> 01:51:47,520
so you can decide

2427
01:51:52,129 --> 01:51:49,739
for yourself whoever might be listening

2428
01:51:53,649 --> 01:51:52,139
how you want to live your life how you

2429
01:51:56,629 --> 01:51:53,659
want to

2430
01:51:58,669 --> 01:51:56,639
honor your God your deity your goddess

2431
01:52:01,129 --> 01:51:58,679
whatever you want to call it

2432
01:52:03,229 --> 01:52:01,139
that's your business and don't let

2433
01:52:05,870 --> 01:52:03,239
anybody ever tell you

2434
01:52:07,729 --> 01:52:05,880
that it's not

2435
01:52:09,950 --> 01:52:07,739
that's that's what it all boils down to

2436
01:52:13,360 --> 01:52:09,960
Jimmy yeah it's true it's true and don't

2437
01:52:18,470 --> 01:52:13,370
send change it'll wake the baby Jesus

2438
01:52:21,530 --> 01:52:19,910
that's mine that's my

2439
01:52:22,850 --> 01:52:21,540
that's fine you can

2440
01:52:25,430 --> 01:52:22,860
I'm gonna see

2441
01:52:28,790 --> 01:52:25,440
days my friend all right we're gonna

2442
01:52:31,189 --> 01:52:28,800
rock this town yes we are really really

2443
01:52:33,830 --> 01:52:31,199
looking forward to it and and everybody

2444
01:52:36,050 --> 01:52:33,840
come on out uh to the conscious life

2445
01:52:39,109 --> 01:52:36,060
Expo you can't miss Scott he's seven

2446
01:52:41,930 --> 01:52:39,119
foot three and uh and he's gonna be

2447
01:52:45,890 --> 01:52:41,940
hanging out with me come up uh and and

2448
01:52:47,330 --> 01:52:45,900
and say hello and uh and just uh share

2449
01:52:49,550 --> 01:52:47,340
the knowledge with Scott it's going to

2450
01:52:52,550 --> 01:52:49,560
be a lot of fun safe travels my friend

2451
01:52:53,990 --> 01:52:52,560
and all right all of Scott's links are

2452
01:52:55,490 --> 01:52:54,000
below we've got them throughout social

2453
01:52:57,290 --> 01:52:55,500
media and of course over at Timmy

2454
01:52:59,510 --> 01:52:57,300
churchradio.com you want to reach out to

2455
01:53:01,850 --> 01:52:59,520
Scott you can do that he's right here on

2456
01:53:04,129 --> 01:53:01,860
Twitter he's over on Facebook he's very

2457
01:53:06,770 --> 01:53:04,139
accessible and of course over at his

2458
01:53:08,450 --> 01:53:06,780
website and then you can come and take a

2459
01:53:10,810 --> 01:53:08,460
selfie with Scott you just got to bring

2460
01:53:14,030 --> 01:53:10,820
a got to bring a stool about that big

2461
01:53:16,550 --> 01:53:14,040
and uh and then you can do that I might

2462
01:53:18,590 --> 01:53:16,560
have a stool at my booth Scott uh for

2463
01:53:20,390 --> 01:53:18,600
everybody taking a selfie oh no Jimmy

2464
01:53:22,370 --> 01:53:20,400
we're gonna have a great time and listen

2465
01:53:24,649 --> 01:53:22,380
thank you for having me on tonight thank

2466
01:53:27,109 --> 01:53:24,659
you for having having having us at the

2467
01:53:28,910 --> 01:53:27,119
conference it's going to be amazing and

2468
01:53:30,649 --> 01:53:28,920
I want to invite people to come to the

2469
01:53:32,390 --> 01:53:30,659
workshop you're going to learn some

2470
01:53:34,850 --> 01:53:32,400
crazy stuff and we're going to hit the

2471
01:53:35,930 --> 01:53:34,860
book of the wars of the Lord freaking

2472
01:53:38,709 --> 01:53:35,940
heart

2473
01:53:41,689 --> 01:53:38,719
it doesn't even exist

2474
01:53:43,970 --> 01:53:41,699
hey Scott that's my line baby don't

2475
01:53:45,350 --> 01:53:43,980
steal my lines okay I love you brother

2476
01:53:47,870 --> 01:53:45,360
I'll see you in a couple of days safe

2477
01:53:51,129 --> 01:53:47,880
travels all right thank you Jimmy

2478
01:53:53,629 --> 01:53:51,139
Scott Walter the absolute very best

2479
01:53:55,729 --> 01:53:53,639
conscious life Expo the links are below

2480
01:53:58,729 --> 01:53:55,739
you can head over there also I'm going

2481
01:54:00,590 --> 01:53:58,739
to have my luncheon on Sunday the

2482
01:54:02,990 --> 01:54:00,600
disclosure luncheon I think there's just

2483
01:54:04,250 --> 01:54:03,000
a few tickets left for that so if you

2484
01:54:06,770 --> 01:54:04,260
would like to come and hang out with me

2485
01:54:08,689 --> 01:54:06,780
I'm going to pick somebody maybe two to

2486
01:54:11,209 --> 01:54:08,699
come out of the audience and sit at my

2487
01:54:13,430 --> 01:54:11,219
table up on the stage all right so all

2488
01:54:16,129 --> 01:54:13,440
of that is available below

2489
01:54:19,250 --> 01:54:16,139
I'm your old Jimmy church this has been

2490
01:54:22,189 --> 01:54:19,260
another great conversation with Scott

2491
01:54:25,490 --> 01:54:22,199
Walter and uh there you go I've got a

2492
01:54:28,010 --> 01:54:25,500
very strange week coming up on uh Fade

2493
01:54:30,890 --> 01:54:28,020
to Black so everybody just uh lived with

2494
01:54:33,770 --> 01:54:30,900
that and I will see everybody here

2495
01:54:36,649 --> 01:54:33,780
tomorrow night all right I things are in

2496
01:54:38,510 --> 01:54:36,659
flux right now you'll see tomorrow Fade

2497
01:54:39,410 --> 01:54:38,520
to Black is produced by Hill J palm and

2498
01:54:41,330 --> 01:54:39,420
Renee

2499
01:54:43,490 --> 01:54:41,340
thank you to Dennis and Kevin what

2500
01:54:45,250 --> 01:54:43,500
Master is Drew the geek music Doug

2501
01:54:47,870 --> 01:54:45,260
Aldrich intro space boys

2502
01:54:49,729 --> 01:54:47,880
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2503
01:54:51,950 --> 01:54:49,739
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2504
01:54:54,290 --> 01:54:51,960
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2505
01:54:56,330 --> 01:54:54,300
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2506
01:54:58,189 --> 01:54:56,340
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2507
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2508
01:55:01,669 --> 01:54:59,940
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2509
01:55:03,050 --> 01:55:01,679
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2510
01:55:05,149 --> 01:55:03,060
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2511
01:55:07,189 --> 01:55:05,159
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